30 percent of these people are turning

根据肝活检的黄金标准，其中 30% 的人发现

up to be vitamin a toxic by

维生素 a 有毒

the gold standard of a liver biopsy

probably kind of around age

可能大约在

40 or 50 that vitamin toxicity and the

40 或 50 岁左右 维生素毒性和

liver starts to accumulate

肝脏

from that research about 30 percent of

从该研究中开始积累 大约 30%

the walking population

的步行人口

is vitamin a toxic wow my opinion

是维生素 有毒哇，我的意见

is no one should ever eat liver ever

是没有人应该永远吃肝脏

and kidneys also so the liver is kind of

和肾脏，所以肝脏

the body's primary storage organ for

是人体维生素 a 的主要储存器官

vitamin a

and metabolizes it but the kidneys are

并代谢它，但肾脏也

also

catabolizing retinoic acid and and some

分解代谢视黄酸和一些

vitamin a

维生素 a

and you're absolutely right in the liver

，你是 绝对正确地在肝脏中

there's going to be a bunch of other

会有一堆其他

good nutrients and detoxification

良好的营养素和解毒

enzymes but

酶，但

i wouldn't make that trade off you know

我不会做这个权衡你知道

there would be other sources for

those nutrients if you wanted them and

如果你想要这些营养素会有其他来源，

this is not just a theory

这不仅仅是一个理论，

hey guys it's judy from nutrition with

嘿伙计们 来自

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judy

judy

thanks for joining me today for those of

感谢你们今天加入我，

you that don't know me my name is judy

感谢那些不认识我的人 我的名字是 judy

cho

cho

and i am a nutritional therapy

，我是一名营养治疗

practitioner i focus on root cause

师，我专注于 roo 不会

healing and often use a meat based diet

治愈，并且经常使用以肉类为基础的饮食

as an elimination diet

作为消除饮食，

okay so i am excited anxious to share

所以我很兴奋很想

this with you guys this interview

与你们分享这个采访

is so mind-blowing um

是如此令人兴奋，嗯

powerful and even you can have a little

强大，甚至你也可以有

bit of skepticism

一点怀疑

i interviewed with grant gennaro he is a

我采访了格兰特根纳罗 他是一名

researcher

研究员

he's been studying a lot about vitamin a

toxicity for the last six years and

，在过去的六年里，他一直在研究关于维生素 a 毒性的大量

really

digging into all of the research i've

研究，并深入研究了我

read his blog

阅读过他博客的所有研究

and he is very well versed in this he's

，他非常精通这方面

done

a ton of research and so you can always

的研究，因此您可以 总是

look into the study studies he cites

查看他引用的研究，

and get into his free e-books and also

并阅读他的免费电子书和

his blog posts

他的博客文章，

if you are doing a carnivore diet and

如果你正在吃肉食并且

just not feeling a hundred percent

感觉不是百分百，

i would highly recommend watching this

我强烈建议你观看

entire interview because it may give you

整个采访，因为它可能会给你

some

一些帮助

kind of tools or maybe some insight into

工具，或者对

what other avenues you can try while

你在吃以肉类为主的饮食时可以尝试的其他途径的一些见解，

eating a meat based diet

all right let's get into the

好吧，让我们进入

conversation hey guys it's judy from

对话，嘿伙计们，这是 judy

nutrition with judy and today i'm very

与 judy 的营养，今天我很

excited i have with me grant

兴奋我有 和我一起

generou so grant thank you so much for

grant generou 所以非常感谢你

joining me today if you can just kind of

今天加入我，如果你能

introduce yourself

自我介绍一下

and you know your research and power

，你知道你的研究和权力

interviewing

面试

sure um so my background is actually

肯定嗯所以我的背景实际上是

a civil engineer uh with a bit of a

一名土木工程师，呃，有点

minor in geology so

地质学

um and then kind of the second half of

嗯，然后

my career probably spent

我职业生涯的后半部分可能大部分时间都花在

um mostly in computer software and so i

了计算机软件上，所以

had

up until 2006 i really had no interest

直到 2006 年我才真正

in the health sector

对卫生部门没有兴趣，

and most certainly not the alternative

而且肯定不是替代

health sector or anything else i was

卫生部门或其他任何事情，我

just

going all along with my life then

只是全力以赴 随着我的生活，

unfortunately i got a diagnosis of

不幸的是我

chronic kidney disease in 2006

在 2006 年被诊断出慢性肾病

and so that was kind of my first um you

，所以这是我的第一次，你

know health incident if you want to call

知道健康事件，如果你想称之为健康事件

it that

and um i wasn't given a very good

，嗯，我没有得到很好的

prognosis and i you know just there's

预后，我你

nothing i could do about it so i just

我知道我对此无能为力，所以我

kind of went on with my life

只是继续我的生活

and then by about 2014 my health

，然后到 2014 年左右，我的健康

really started to deteriorate really

真的开始急剧恶化

dramatically

and i developed eczema which we call

，我

eczema in canada i'll use the eczema

患上了湿疹，在加拿大我们称之为湿疹 我会使用 eczema

american pronunciation

American 发音

so i had um you know first for the first

所以我有嗯你首先知道在最初的

few months it was kind of

几个月它有点

minor-ish you know the fingers the back

轻微 - 你知道手指在

of the hands and then i had this episode

手背然后我有这一

where it just exploded into

集它刚刚爆炸成

body-wide adult eczema and i went to my

身体 - 广泛的成人湿疹，我当然去看了我的

doctor

of course and he said there's nothing we

医生，他说我们

can do for you you don't just go home

无能为力，你不要只是

and deal with

回家处理

and that was really a great

，这

thing for him to have done because i

对他来说真的很棒，因为我

think it was the appropriate thing to do

认为这是合适的 要做一件事

one

and two it put me on the path of trying

和二件事，这让我开始试图弄清楚

to figure out

what could i possibly do to alleviate

我可以做些什么来缓解

some of these symptoms

其中一些症状，

it's a pretty horrible nasty condition

这是一种非常可怕的令人讨厌的情况，

especially when you have it

尤其是当你有它的时候，

you know severely so that you know put

你知道得非常严重，所以你知道让

me on the road of

我陷入困境

trying to investigate you know is there

尝试调查的道路 你知道

something i could do about this i never

我能做些什么 我

for even a second thought i was going to

从来没有想过

be able to cure it on my own or put it

我可以自己治愈它或

in full remission on my own i just

完全缓解我只是

thought maybe i could reduce the

想也许我可以减少

symptoms of it

它的症状

so what i did was uh it's kind of you

所以我做了什么 呃，你

know within an hour or two getting home

from my doctor

从我的医生那里在一两个小时内就知道了

i you know went on uh google and started

我你知道继续呃谷歌并开始

searching

搜索

you know what what are people saying

你知道人们对湿疹有什么看法

about

eczema and i did something what i

，我做了一些我

thought was

认为

really really straightforward and one of

非常简单的事情，其中一个

the things that kind of struck me

让我立刻感到震惊的事情

right away was you know not only the

是，你不仅知道

medical community but kind of

医学界，而且

people experiencing eczema documented

经历湿疹的人记录

that they had these trigger foods

了他们有这些触发性食物

and right away that kind of sounded a

，这

little bit suspicious to me you know the

对我来说听起来有点可疑，你知道这种

sentiment is that yes there are these

情绪是肯定的 有这些

trigger foods that can make the

触发食物可以使

condition worse but they're not

病情恶化，但它们不会

responsible for the disease

导致疾病，

they can just cause you to go into

它们只会导致你

flare-ups it's okay kind of sort of

突然发作，没关系，有点

was buying that so what i did then was i

是购买，所以我当时所做的是我

took all the

把所有的

components of the so-called trigger

所谓的触发

foods you know they would be

食物的成分，你知道它们是

milk eggs dairy

奶蛋奶

fish and some other other ones and went

鱼和其他一些，然后

to the nutritional database and got

去营养数据库

all the molecular compounds that are in

，得到这些食物中的所有分子化合物

these foods and put them into a database

oods 并将它们放入

and i did a search and said you know

数据库 我做了一个搜索 并说你

what's common about these

知道这些

foods and lo and behold vitamin a popped

食物的共同点 瞧瞧 维生素 a 突然

out as being kind of the unique

出现在所谓的触发食物中是一种独特的

common element among the so-called

常见元素

trigger foods that cause people to go

导致人们进入

into

an eczema flare-up and so from there um

湿疹突然发作，所以从那里开始，

i decided to just conduct a little

我决定进行一个小小的

personal experiment and i once again i

个人实验，我再一次

didn't expect

没

really anything to come from it i

想到会从中产生任何结果，我

thought it was kind of foolish and

认为这有点愚蠢和

ridiculous

荒谬，

so i decided to eliminate all vitamin a

所以我决定消除所有维生素

from my diet and

从我的饮食中选择

just went on a really low vitamin e diet

了一个非常低的维生素 E 饮食

for

about three weeks and in those first

大约三周，在前

three weeks kind of you know nothing

三周你知道

was getting any better nothing maybe not

什么都没有好转可能没有

really getting worse but most certainly

变得更糟，但肯定

not nothing was getting better

不是没有什么变得更好

then almost kind of overnight i

然后几乎是善良的 一夜之间

started to have some really big

improvements in my health and

，我的健康开始有了很大的改善，

unfortunately it wasn't really the

不幸的是，这并不是一个

excellent proof first

很好的证明，

it was you know joint pain chronic

首先是你知道关节疼痛慢性

fatigue

疲劳

thinking clarity so just a really

思维清晰所以只是一个真实的

dramatic

非常

kind of shazam kind of moment for um

戏剧性的 shazam 时刻让

these health conditions to start to

这些健康状况开始

uh resolve long-term health conditions

解决长期的健康状况

and so from there i

，所以从那里我

thought well you know this this is

想你知道这

really too simple but you know possibly

真的太简单了，但你知道

i'm on to something and i started

我可能正在做某事，我 开始

digging into the medical

深入

literature and research around vitamin a

研究关于维生素 A 的医学文献和研究

and kind of from

，从

there is you know how i got involved in

那里你知道我是如何参与其中的

this

i um and i saw some of your blog posts

，我看到了你的一些博客文章

and they're pretty extensive and i know

，它们非常广泛，我知道

you get into

你对

kind of the molecular structure of

vitamin a that maybe it's not even a

维生素 a 的分子结构 可能它甚至不是

vitamin so

维生素 所以

can you you know kind of explain to our

你能不能向我们的听众解释一下

audience

you know what what why you don't think

你知道为什么你不认为

it's a vitamin and

它是一种维生素

you know maybe for the layman person to

你知道也许外行人可以

just

explain your research sure

肯定地解释你的研究

yeah well this is a you know this is a

是的，这是一个你知道这是一个

very big

非常大的

research area not just for me but for

研究领域，不仅对我而且

the medical community

对医学界

i think vitamin a is probably one of the

我认为维生素 a 可能是

most widely thoroughly researched

molecules in all of medical science uh

所有医学科学中研究最广泛的

when i first got into this i did a bit

分子之一 首先进入这个，我做了

of a you know two-minute meta-analysis

一些你知道的两分钟元分析

and i just went out to pubmed

，我刚出去发表了

you know how many papers are on pubmed

你知道有多少关于维生素 ai 的论文发表

regarding vitamin a i think there's 7

500 when i searched

在我搜索的时候有 7 500

you know and actually a very trivial

你知道，实际上是一个非常微不足道的

search not a thorough surge

搜索不是彻底的激增

and there are about out of 7 500 there

，大约有

about 450

7,500 篇

on the toxicity of vitamin a so

关于维生素 a 的毒性的大约有 450 篇 所以

it's a very mixed message with vitamin a

这是一个与维生素 a 非常复杂的信息，

if you read really pretty much you know

如果你读得非常多，你知道

any research paper and vitamin a this is

任何研究论文和维生素 a

almost this obligatory

这几乎是强制性的

preamble about you know vitamin a being

序言 你知道维生素 a 是

an essential

一种必不可少的

vitamin it's needed for

维生素 它是

self-differentiation it's needed for

自我分化所必需的 它是

embryo development it's needed for you

胚胎发育所必需的 它是你

know the maintenance of

知道

skin and of course vision vision is kind

皮肤保养所必需的

of the big one and the you know the

claim is that vitamin a is saved you

你

know millions of people every year from

知道每年有数以百万计的人

from death and blindness and you know

免于死亡和失明，你

well when you uh when you really dig

知道什么时候你真的深入

into it

研究了

uh which i did was i went down the path

呃我所做的就是我走上

of trying to understand

了试图

how was this determination about vitamin

了解 w 的道路 因为这种关于维生素

a being

a 的

made that is actually a vitamin that

决定实际上是一种维生素，这

took me way back to

让我回到

the very early research in the 1920s

了 1920 年代的早期研究，

when the first

当时第一次

investigation was made regarding vitamin

调查是关于维生素

a

a 的

and there are kind of a handful of

，1920 年代有一些

studies in the 1920s

研究，

but a very small group of researchers so

但非常 一小群研究人员 所以

this is kind of a

这

bit of a cadre of people that were

有点像一群人

deliberately looking for

故意寻找

something you know they could call a

某种你知道他们可以称之为

vitamin and out of that research kind of

维生素的东西 从那种研究

the

primary paper that identified vitamin a

中 确定维生素

to be a vitamin was one by wilbeck and

a 是一种维生素的主要论文是一个 威尔贝克和

hall in 1926

霍尔在 1926 年

and my analysis of their study uh

，我对他们的研究的分析

is that that's completely botched

是，那完全是拙劣的

science is very bad science and there's

科学是非常糟糕的科学，

a lot of

complex reasons why i believe that but

我相信有很多复杂的原因，但这

that is the cornerstone study

是

that has formed the basis and the

形成

foundation of vitamin a

维生素 a 基础和基础的基石研究

theory going forward to today

理论发展到今天

and if that study is indeed

，如果这项研究确实

flawed and then i hope you know the

有缺陷，那么我希望你知道

whole

crusty foundation of this whole vitamin

这整个维生素的整个硬壳基础，

a science will

科学

will come crumbling down so that is kind

将崩溃做 wn 所以这就是

of where i'm at with it

我的情况

i've been looking at it investigating

我一直在研究

this for about six years now

它大约六年现在

six and a half years so i think i've

六年半所以我想我已经

done a pretty thorough examination of

the research

once again you know there's just tons of

再次对研究进行了非常彻底的检查，你知道 只有大量

research on vitamin a

关于维生素 a 的研究

there is no question like no question

whatsoever

in the medical research that vitamin is

在医学研究中毫无疑问维生素是

toxic there's

有毒的 有

lots of papers about the toxicity of

很多关于维生素 a 毒性的论文，

vitamin a and it's also complicated and

而且它也很复杂和

tricky

棘手，

so it's not straightforward so maybe one

所以它并不简单，

that if people are interested in looking

所以如果人们 有兴趣看

at is one in 2006

的是 2006 年

i think it's published on the national

的一篇我认为它发表在国家

journal of clinical nutrition and it was

临床营养杂志上，它被

called the acute and

称为维生素 a 的急性和

chronic toxic effects of vitamin a this

慢性毒性作用，这

is an important paper

是一篇重要的论文，

because these two authors are looking at

因为这两位作者正在从毒性方面研究

vitamin a from a toxicity point of view

维生素 a 长期的观点

chronically so maybe let me back up so

所以也许让我

in the medical research when someone

在医学研究中备份，当有人

researches the toxicity of vitamin a

研究维生素 a 的毒性时，该毒性

there's kind of two

有两种

categorizations of that toxicity one is

分类，一种是

acute and the other one's chronic

急性的 e和另一个人的

so acute toxicity of course you take a

慢性急性毒性当然你服用

large dose and get sick and you know

大剂量会生病，你知道

sometimes you die

有时你会死

so that's what is really kind of most of

所以这就是

the research prior

kind of to 2000 but there's lots of

2000年之前的大部分研究，但

awareness in the medical community about

医学界有很多认识

that

long-term uh chronic toxicity of vitamin

关于维生素 a 的长期 uh 慢性毒性

a so this is no

所以这不是

you know this is no theory there's been

你知道的 这不是理论 有

well-documented cases of people being

充分记录的案例表明人们

inadvertently poisoned to death with

vitamin a either through

通过

you know medical interventions or people

你知道的医疗干预或

taking vitamin a think

服用维生素 a

supplements because i think it's good

补充剂的人在不经意间被维生素 a 中毒致死 因为我认为这

for them or something like that so

对他们或类似的东西有好处所以

there's no doubt about

毫无疑问

vitamin a being toxic but uh so that one

维生素 a 是有毒的，但是呃，所以

paper i mentioned is is a good one for

我提到的一篇论文是一篇很好的文章，可以让

people to kind of get

人们了解

an understanding about chronic toxicity

of vitamin a

维生素 a 的慢性毒性，

uh but before that in the 1960s 50s 40s

呃但在此之前 在 1960 年代 50 年代 40 年代

kind of

chronologically going back decade by

按时间顺序回溯 十年又

decade there's been lots of studies

十年 有很多

with the toxicity of vitamin a

关于维生素毒性的

there's a really good one done at the

iowa state university

研究 owa 州立大学

i think it was done in 1960 and it was

我认为它是在 1960 年完成的，它是

the effect of hypervitaminosis

维生素

a on young pigs and this is a super well

A 对幼猪的影响，这是一项非常出色的

done study i won't go into the details

研究，我不会详细

of it but basically

介绍它，但基本上

these researches just poison young pigs

这些研究只是将幼猪

to death

with vitamin a high dose vitamin as is

毒死 维生素 一种高剂量的维生素，

actually horrific reading their research

实际上阅读他们的研究论文很可怕

paper

i mentioned some other studies in my

我在我的电子书中提到了一些其他研究，

ebooks that were done one in 2010

这些研究是在 2010 年完成的，

about the toxicity of vitamin a

关于维生素 a 棕榈酸酯的毒性，

palmitate which is a particular

这是一种特殊

type of vitamin a another one that i

类型的维生素，另一种我

think is really worthwhile for people to

认为非常值得的研究 供人们

read if they're concerned about vitamin

阅读，如果他们担心维生素

a toxicity or have any doubt about

a 的毒性或对维生素 a 的毒性有任何疑问，

vitamin a toxicity

a research paper done in norway

在挪威完成的研究论文

is called the title of the paper

被称为论文经文的标题

scriptures which is writings and it's

，即著作和

hypervitaminosis a the study

维生素 A 过多症的研究

and effect of excess vitamin a in

和过量维生素 a 的影响 在

animals i believe it was it was done in

动物中，我相信它是在挪威奥斯陆完成的

oslo norway and much like the

，就像

researchers at iowa state university

爱荷华州立大学的研究人员一样，

they are looking at the toxic dose of

他们正在研究

vitamin a in all kinds of animals they

各种维生素 a 的毒性剂量 动物他们

poison dogs and guinea pigs and chickens

毒死狗、豚鼠、鸡

and just all kinds of animals and they

和各种动物，然后

slowly poison these animals to death and

慢慢毒死这些动物，

then look for

然后寻找

you know the uh the tissue

你知道的组织

manifestations of that and the actual

表现和死亡的实际

cause of death and it's it's a

原因，这是一个

you know it's a shocking paper to read

你知道这是一个 读到令人震惊的论文，

you know those are some of the

你知道这些是你知道的一些

evidence that you know i'd give to

证据，我会告诉

people to understand that vitamin a

人们维生素 a

can be toxic of course the argument

可能有毒，当然，论点

would be

the counter argument would be well hold

是相反的论点

on it's only toxic when you get a high

，只要你得到一个 高

dose of it

剂量

but once once again kind of bring it

但再一次把它带

back to that 2006 paper i mentioned

回到我提到的那篇 2006 年的论文中

where

，

you know these researchers are saying

你知道这些研究人员在说

hold on you know this

坚持你知道这种

bio accumulates so even though it might

生物会积累，所以即使它可能

not be toxic

没有

appear to be toxic in the short term

毒性，但在短期内似乎是有毒的

over the long term it's going to

从长远来看，它会

accumulate

积累

and you're going to saturate your liver

，你会

stores with it in your other tissue

用它在你的其他组织

stores

储存中饱和你的肝脏储存

and once that happens you kind of reach

，一旦发生这种情况，你就会达到

a tipping point where

一个临界点，

now even small doses that you take

现在即使是小剂量，你也会

are going to become toxic so what's

ake 会变得有毒，所以

really tricky about vitamin a

维生素 a 的真正棘手之处

is that you can consume vitamin a for a

在于，您可以长期服用维生素 a，

very

long time like decades and decades and

例如数十年、

decades and have no

数十年和数十年，并且没有明显的

observable ill effects and then all of a

不良影响，然后

sudden kind of one day it's going to

突然有一天它会

slowly start to manifest itself

慢慢地开始表现出来，

so that's the tricky insidious nature of

所以这就是它的狡猾阴险的本质

it on the flip side you have a bunch of

，另一方面，你有一堆

research that claims that to be an

研究声称它是一种

essential vitamin i think that's

必需的维生素，我认为

that's wrong as i mentioned you know

这是错误的，因为我提到你知道

several thoughts but

几个想法，但

um one what would we even define as

我们甚至会怎么做 定义为

toxic so you know if we're just kind of

有毒，所以你知道我们是否只是在

accumulating it is there even way to

积累它甚至有办法

check and i think in one of your blog

检查，我认为在你的一篇博客

posts you say

文章中你说

it's very difficult to but and then the

这很难，但是

other question is so what

另一个问题是什么

would be like a safe amount we can eat

会像一个保险箱 我们每天可以吃的量

daily um that you would consider even

，你会认为是

safe

安全的

yeah well first off uh the safe amount

是的，首先，安全

is going to vary it's going to vary on

量会有所不同，这会有所不同，因为

you know someone's age prior health

你知道某人的年龄 之前的健康

history prior dietary history so it's

史 之前的饮食史 所以

it's a moving target

这是一个移动

as you get older and older that safe

随着年龄的增长，目标安全

amount is going to become smaller and

量会越来越小，

smaller because it does bioaccumulate so

因为它确实会生物累积，所以

the rda for vitamin a has changed

维生素 a 的 rda 发生了变化，

you know i think a decade ago was 5 000

你知道我认为十年前是 5 000

international units is now down to 3

国际单位，现在甚至下降到 3

000 international units even those

000 国际单位 这些

amounts are actually documented in the

数量实际上记录在

medical literature being

医学文献中处于

borderline high so in my view

临界值，所以在我看来

you want to be very careful with this

你要非常小心这种

substance it's like i said it

物质就像我说它

bioaccumulates

on the positive side the body is super

在积极的一面生物积累身体

well equipped to deal with it you know

非常有能力处理它你知道

like

就像

you know we've evolved with this

你知道 我们已经进化出这种

fantastic liver that metabolizes and

神奇的肝脏，它可以代谢和

catabolizes vitamin a

分解维生素，

other tissues do the same thing so you

其他组织也做同样的事情，所以你

can most certainly take

肯定可以

you know a daily dose of it at a

每天服用

reasonable amount and

合理的剂量，

live a long healthy life so it's not

过上健康长寿的生活

it's not gonna you know small doses are

知道小剂量

not gonna harm people it's this

不会伤害人正是

this cumulative you know moderate to

这种累积你知道

medium dose over a long period of time

在很长一段时间内中等至中等剂量

that is going to result in a toxic

会导致中毒

condition

状况

and so what would someone kind of be on

所以有人会

the outlook for

trying to determine if they're becoming

试图确定它们是否会变得

toxic

有毒

some of the signs are dry skin dry eyes

一些迹象是皮肤干燥 眼睛干涩

hair loss

脱发

elevated ldl levels

低密度脂蛋白水平升高

so change in in blood chemistry

所以血液化学变化

osteoporosis

骨质疏松症

bone pain you know there's just a huge

骨痛 你知道只有一个巨大的

list of

you know symptoms of vitamin a toxicity

你知道维生素 a 中毒的症状，

and it's all going to happen

而且这一切都会

very very slowly so that's the kind of

非常非常缓慢地发生，所以这

key thing for for people to understand

是人们理解的关键，

this is not something that happens

这不是快速或一夜之间发生的事情，

quickly or overnight unless you've kind

除非你

of megadosed with it

已经大量使用它，

so this is just a slow picking away at

所以这 只是缓慢地

your

tissues and primarily your stem cells

and it's going to

eventually catch up to people can you

提取你的组织，主要是你的干细胞，它最终会赶上人们你能

test for vitamin a toxicity

测试维生素 a 的毒性吗，

uh it's it's pretty difficult

嗯，这非常困难，

so the de facto test that you go

所以

and get from your doctor is a vitamin a

你从医生那里得到的事实上的测试是一个 维生素 a

serum

血清

level test it's not really indicative of

水平测试它根本不能真正表明

your vitamin a levels at all it's just

您的维生素 a 水平，它只是

indicated indication of

表明

how much vitamin a you have circulating

您在血清中循环了多少维生素 a

in your serum and most of that

，其中大部分

that they measure is in a in a wrapper

是 测量是在包装

protein so it's not

蛋白中，所以它

free in in serum but that does not

在血清中不是游离的，但这并不能

really reflect the liver stores so

真正反映肝脏的储存量，所以

there's some really great case studies

有一些非常好的案例研究

where

，其中

people were vitamin toxic in in their

人们肝脏中的维生素中毒增加

liver increased

uh their protein content and what

了他们的蛋白质含量，以及

happened as a result of that is their

发生了什么 结果是他们的

serum level of vitamin a just shot up

血清维生素 a 水平急剧上升

dramatically because all of a sudden

，因为突然

there's a protein for the liver to

之间，肝脏中有一种蛋白质

to wrap it up in a serum level test

可以将其包裹在血清水平测试

is not great but there is a range

中并不是很好，但

that doctor could test for and say if

医生可以测试并说有一个范围 如果

you're over this certain range that's

你超过了这个限制范围，

that

limit then you'd be quote vitamin a

那么你会引用维生素 a

toxic the gold

毒性

standard for measuring vitamin a

测量维生素 a

toxicity is a liver biopsy

毒性的黄金标准是肝活检

and you know no way should people just

，你知道人们不

go

and do a liver biopsy you know it's a

应该去做肝活检，你知道这是一个

dangerous test with a lot of

有很多

complications potentially

并发症的危险测试可能

there are some fluorescence techniques

有一些荧光技术

to measure the vitamin accumulating in

可以测量

the skin so the vitamin a that

皮肤中积累的维生素，因此积累在皮肤中的维生素 a

accumulates in the skin is

primarily the carotenoids the vitamin a

主要是类胡萝卜素维生素 na

beta-carotene

β-胡萝卜素

form of it and so there are some very

形式，因此有一些非常

sophisticated lab techniques for

复杂的实验室技术可以

actually

实际

measuring that quantity but once again

测量该数量，但再一次

it's not not available to just you know

，只有您认识的公众无法使用

the general public

so it's really kind of funny because you

它，所以这真的很有趣，因为您

know this is well known in the medical

知道这在 医学

literature that

文献表明，

this is going to bio accumulate could

这将生物积累

potentially become a problem

可能会成为一个问题，

but there's no great test for measuring

但没有很好的测试来衡量

it

它

where i struggle is um a lot of the

，我挣扎的是嗯，

symptoms you mentioned

你提到

you know a lot of diseases and illness

的很多症状你知道很多疾病和疾病，

they have very similar symptoms

它们有非常相似的症状

oh yeah oh your dry eyes can mean like a

哦，是的，哦 你的眼睛干涩可能意味着

vitamin deficiency sometimes

缺乏维生素 有时

thinning skin hair loss all of those can

皮肤变薄 脱发 所有这些

also be related to the thyroid

也可能与甲状腺有关

and so how do we know do you just do an

，所以我们怎么知道你是否只是做一个

elimination

消除

a diet of you know removing the vitamin

你知道的饮食 你知道去除维生素

a to then see your improvements um

a 然后看到你的改善 嗯，

in these areas or you know like how do

在这些领域，或者你知道

we know that those symptoms are really

我们怎么知道这些症状真的是

vitamin a when we can't even really test

维生素 a 当我们甚至无法真正

for it versus maybe it's my thyroid

测试它时，也许是我的甲状腺，

you know it's all the other conditions

你知道它是

that all these other things normally

所有这些其他事情通常

come up

会出现的所有其他条件

yeah no i totally get your question and

是的，不，我完全明白你的问题，

uh i agree

嗯，我同意，

so there's a lot of uh overlap here with

所以这里有很多 uh 与

thyroid and

甲状腺

and vitamin a and you're right there's a

和维生素 a 重叠，你是对的

lot of overlap and mimicry between you

，两者之间有很多重叠和模仿 你

know all these health conditions

知道所有这些健康状况

how does someone actually know i guess

有人是怎么知道的 我

the answer is we don't

猜答案是我们不

um you could you know suspect and uh i

知道，你知道怀疑，呃我

think that's kind of

认为这

what's what's happening with people that

are joining this community and

就是加入这个社区并

experimenting with this to kind of you

尝试这种方式的人们正在发生的事情 你

know help prove it out there's a great

知道帮助证明它有一个很好的

resource if someone wants to check this

资源，如果有人想看看

out is

这个是

uh there's a website called acne.org and

呃有一个名为accutane的网站

then they've got a piece

然后他们有一个

page for accutane so i don't know if

关于accutane的页面所以我不知道

you're familiar with accutane

你是否熟悉accutane

acne medication medication and on their

痤疮药物 药物和在他们的

site they have a list

网站上，他们有一个列表

a really good kind of visual diagram of

一个非常好的视觉图表

you know all the adverse health

你知道所有不良健康

conditions that

are documented in known side effects of

状况记录在

taking accutane

服用 Accutane 的已知副作用中，

and the reason i mentioned accutane is

以及我提到的原因 ned accutane 是

accutane is

accutane 是

what's called the active form of vitamin

所谓的维生素a的活性形式，

a so this is

所以这是

13 cysts retinoic acid so when we

13个囊泡视黄酸，所以当我们

consume vitamin a from food

从

either plant food or animal food

植物性食物或动物性食物中摄取维生素a时，

eventually that vitamin is that's going

最终维生素a

to be

会被

catabolized it's going to be broken down

分解代谢，它会被分解

and one of the steps of that is

， 其中一个步骤是

the breakdown of it into retinoic acid

将其分解为视黄酸

and so the reason i

，所以我

mentioned that website is that you know

提到该网站的原因是你

that diagram that they have with all the

知道他们拥有的图表与所有

health conditions associated with

与accutane相关的健康状况

accutane one you know that's

你知道这是

super well known proven list of side

非常知名的证明列表

effects

you know millions of people have taken

你知道数百万人服用了

accutane and accutane is also

维甲酸，而维甲酸也

used as a chemotherapy drug and so once

被用作化疗药物，所以再

again there's

一次有

millions of people that have taken

数百万人服用

accucane or

维甲酸或

retinoic acid as a chemotherapy and

视黄酸作为化疗，

these are actually

这些实际上是

you know the listed side effects of

你知道的列

chemotherapy with retinoic acid

有维甲酸化疗的副作用 酸，

so what everyone needs to understand is

所以每个人都需要了解的是

that your body when it metabolizes or

，您的身体在代谢或

metabolizes

代谢

vitamin a it breaks it down into exactly

维生素 a 时会将其准确分解为

that same chemical there's

同样的化学物质 有

some isomers but that's kind of

一些异构体 但那是一种

splitting hairs but that is the natural

分裂的头发 但这

pathway

for vitamin a to become active and so

是维生素 a 变得活跃的自然途径 所以

you know someone wants to check that out

你知道有人想检查一下

say you know what you know how many of

说你知道你

these symptoms do i have and kind of the

知道我有多少这些症状和种类 他们中的

more of them you have

越多，

the more uh suspicious that you should

你就越怀疑你

be that you know maybe you are dealing

应该知道你可能正在

with vitamin a toxicity and i'll just

处理维生素 a 毒性，我只想

mention that there's been studies

提一下，

done with cadavers and both in the

已经对尸体进行了研究，

united states

and in asia one actually done in canada

实际上在美国和亚洲都有 在加拿大也做过

too

you know really good studies where they

你知道非常好的研究 他们

take cadavers from

从

accident victims or people have died

事故受害者那里取出尸体 或者人们

from you know other causes

死于你知道其他

and they've done liver biopsies on them

原因 他们已经对他们进行了肝活检

and it's about 30

大约有

of these people are turning up to be

30 这些人被证明是

vitamin a toxic by

维生素 A 毒物

the gold standard of a liver biopsy and

肝活检的黄金标准，

some people are young some people are

有些人年轻有些人

older but it's quite surprising uh

年纪大，但这很令人惊讶，

so there's kind of a peak in in young

所以在

children for vitamin a toxicity

幼儿中维生素 A 的毒性有一个高峰，

then it drops off and it kind of slowly

然后下降 它会慢慢

builds up into

累积到

your adult years probably kind of around

你的成年期，可能在

age 40 or 50 that vitamin a toxicity and

40 或 50 岁左右，维生素 A 的毒性

the liver starts to accumulate

和肝脏开始积累

and so from that research you know about

，因此从这项研究中，你知道大约

30

30

of the walking population is vitamin a

名步行人群中的维生素 A

toxic

有毒

wow where where do you think our sources

哇在哪里 你认为我们

of vitamin a

的维生素 a 来源是

starts i mean you mentioned but i mean

从你提到的开始的，但我的意思

are we born with

是我们出生时

you know if our mother had it would we

你知道如果我们的母亲有它，你知道我们会

you know get some i mean

得到一些我的意思

kind of where does it start and then

是它从哪里开始，然后

what foods and we can get into that

是什么食物，我们可以进入

yeah sure well i don't think anyone's

是的，当然，我不认为任何人的

names can be concerned about how much

名字会关心

you get from your mother that's uh

你从你母亲那里得到多少

that's a long time ago so um

那是很久以前的所以嗯

all vitamin a really originates in

所有的维生素 a 真的起源于

plants

植物，

so as uh the carotenoids and kind of the

所以呃类胡萝卜素和

primary one that people need to

人们的主要成分

you'll hear about is the beta-carotene

你需要知道的是β-胡萝卜素

so beta-carotene is two vitamin a

所以β-胡萝卜素是

molecules

bound in in this in the center so it's

结合在中间的两个维生素a分子 所以

you know

你知道

kind of a mirror image of these two

这两个

molecules in a beta-carotene so

分子在β-胡萝卜素中的一种镜像

what happens when an animal or we

所以当 一只动物 或者我们

eat a plant source of beta-carotene

吃一种植物来源的 β-胡萝卜素，

some of that's cleaved and split in part

其中一些被部分切割和分裂

now we have two vitamin a molecules

现在我们有两个维生素 a 分子

maybe just back up for a second so the

可能只是备份一秒钟 所以

term vitamin a in the medical research

医学研究中的术语维生素 a

refers to a whole

指的是一

group of molecules

组分子

and it's really kind of you know any

，它是 真的，你知道任何

molecule that has vitamin a activity

具有维生素 a 活性的分子，

then you kind of have two branches you

然后你有两个分支，你

have the beta-carotene branch of that or

有一个β-胡萝卜素分支，或者

what's called the pro-form

所谓的前体

branch and you got another branch called

分支，你有另一个分支，称为

pre-form vitamin a and that pre-formed

前体维生素 a 和那个前体 -形成的

vitamin a comes from

维生素a来自

animals so we can and of course we do

动物，所以我们可以，当然我们确实

get some vitamin a from animal foods but

从动物食物中获得一些维生素a，但所有维生素a

that all also

也

originated from those animals eating

来自那些吃

plants so really all vitamin a

植物的动物，所以实际上所有

originates from plants doesn't really

来自植物的维生素a都

matter probably not because

无关紧要，

for if you're a vegan that's a bit of a

因为如果 你是一个素食主义者，

concern if you're applying to air meteor

如果你申请的是空气流星

that's a bit of a concern it really

，这有点令人

doesn't matter about the origin it's

担忧它的起源真的无关紧要，

just there

只是

there are some differences though so

存在一些差异，尽管如此

beta carotene that you get from a plant

，你得到的β-胡萝卜素 来自植物

source

来源的物质

is absorbed through the intestine only

会通过肠道被吸收，

about you know it's going to vary by

只有您知道它会因人而异，

individual but

但

maybe 80 percent of it where the

其中 80% 可能是其中的 80%，其中

preformed vitamin a that you get in

您在动物性食物中获得的预制维生素 a

animal foods is

much higher uh absorption rate maybe

要高得多，嗯，吸收率可能会

less

更少

beta-carotene 80 percent of it's going

β-胡萝卜素 80% 它

to be passed through 20 percent of it's

会通过 20%

going to be

会

absorbed with preform vitamin a retinol

被预制维生素吸收 视黄醇

or retinol palmitate which you can get

或视黄醇棕榈酸酯，你可以

from animal sources

从动物

is much more readily absorbed maybe 80

来源获得更容易吸收 可能有 80%

of it's going to be absorbed eventually

最终会被吸收

that beta-carotene though

β-胡萝卜素虽然

if it does get absorbed into your into

如果它 确实会被吸收到

your tissues it's going to break down

您的组织中，它会分解

into

成

two vitamin a molecules and then

两个维生素 a 分子，然后

eventually it's going to break down into

最终会分解成

retinoic acid

视黄酸

and uh that's kind of the pathway there

，嗯，这就是那里的途径

when you're saying though that it gets

more i just want to make sure and

确定和

clarify but when you say that the

澄清但是当你说

you know the animal form it gets better

你知道动物形式它会被更好地

absorbed does that mean that we would

吸收时，这是否意味着我们

actually get more vitamin a from meat

实际上会从肉类中获得更多的维生素 a

than if we were eating

如果我们吃的是

beta-carotene well no it depends on the

β-胡萝卜素，不，这取决于

type of meat because you know different

肉的类型，因为你知道不同的

meat has different concentrations of

肉含有不同浓度的

vitamin a

维生素

some fish is high tuna is high salmon is

一些鱼是高金枪鱼 鲑鱼

kind of medium i suppose the fish oils

是中等 我想鱼油

can be

可能

really high so something like cod liver

真的很高 所以 像鱼肝油之类的东西

oil would be disastrous

会是灾难性的

disastrously high muscle meat is is

高肌肉肉

actually very low in vitamin a

实际上维生素含量很低

certain cuts in meat might be slightly

higher based on their fat content and

根据脂肪含量和

the age of the animal

动物的年龄，某些肉类可能略高

so there's lots and lots of factors

所以有很多因素

liver uh

肝脏 呃

animal liver and beef liver is one of

动物肝脏 牛肝是

the highest source

of preformed vitamin a so it depends on

预制维生素 a 的最高来源之一 所以它

the type of meat

取决于肉的类型

so so let's say the percentage of you

所以假设你知道的百分比

know in 100

在 100

100 grams okay the meat has let's say

100 克 好的 假设

beef liver you know it's really high in

你知道它的

vitamin a and then let's say in carrots

维生素 a 含量很高 然后让我们说在胡萝卜

or something there's a lot of vitamin a

或其他东西中有很多维生素 a

as well would the liver and i know the

以及肝脏，我知道

liver is really high but let's say

肝脏真的很高但是让我们

are you saying that the liver or the

说你是说肝脏或

meat variety would

肉类品种

be more absorbed by the body yes yes it

会更多 被身体吸收是的，

is

yes it is and especially so if you

是的，是的，尤其是如果你

include any fat in your meal

在你的膳食中加入任何脂肪，

so the preformed vitamin which we'll

那么我们称之为预制维生素

call which is typically called retinol

，通常称为视黄醇

or retinal palmitate that's a fat a

或视黄醛棕榈酸酯，它是一种脂肪，一种

soluble molecule so if you have

可溶性分子，所以如果你有

fat in the same meal that you're eating

在你吃的同一顿饭中的脂肪

you know meat source

你知道肉类来源

or an animal source of vitamin a you're

或动物来源的维生素 你

going to have a higher absorption rate

会有更高的吸收率

whereas the beta carotene not so much so

而β-胡萝卜素没有那么多

and even

，甚至

by the nature of the molecule itself

根据分子本身的性质，

it's not so highly absorbed eating a

它也不是 如此高度吸收吃

carrot you know is

胡萝卜你知道

not that much of a concern but eating

不是什么大问题但是吃

something like an animal source

动物来源的东西

such as liver and you know that would be

比如肝脏你知道这将是

a huge concern

一个巨大的问题

my view how so most people don't eat

我的观点所以大多数人不吃

liver right so i know

肝脏所以我知道

meat based world there we push liver but

肉 我们在那里推肝脏，但

outside of us

在我们

there's not a ton of people that eat

之外没有很多人吃

liver so right are we getting a lot of

肝脏，所以我们得到了很多

this

这种

vitamin a toxicity well uh yeah very

维生素，毒性很好，嗯，是的，非常

unfortunately

不幸，

especially if in the united states has

特别是如果在美国

been added to you know a

已经添加到你知道一个

bunch of the food uh in the united

bunc 在美国和加拿大的食物中

states and in canada

so in the 1970s vitamin a was added to

，在 1970 年代，维生素 a 被添加到

milk and dairy margarine

牛奶和人造黄油中

and this is vitamin a palmitate and this

，这是维生素 a 棕榈酸酯，这

is the pre-formed version so one is the

是预先形成的版本，所以一个是

version that's most highly absorbed

吸收率最高的版本，

two it is in a food that it was never

两个它 是在一种食物中，它从来都不

kind of naturally

part of i guess especially the skim milk

是我想的自然部分，我猜尤其是脱脂牛奶

and margarines

和人造黄油，

another source is the seed oil such as

另一个来源是种子油，例如

canola oil and some of the other seed

菜籽油，而其他一些种子

oils are very high or

油的类胡萝卜素含量很高或

high in the carotenoids and the problem

很高，并且存在以下

with that it's already emulsified in an

问题 它已经在

oil so if you're eating canola oil or

油中乳化，所以如果你正在吃菜籽油或

consuming canola oil you are going to be

食用菜籽油，你将要食用油菜籽油中的

consuming you know

most of that beta-carotene that's in

大部分β-胡萝卜素，

that canola oil you're going to absorb

你会吸收，

because it is

因为它被

wrapped up in a lipid already

包裹在 历史上已经是一种脂质，

historically you know our plant-based

你知道我们的植物性

diet was seasonal so we

饮食是季节性的，所以我们

might have some high vitamin a foods in

可能会在秋季结束时吃一些高维生素 a 的食物

the fall at the end of the fall season

and then you know for the rest of the

，然后你知道在今年剩下的

year not so much and we would have

时间里没有那么多，我们会

meat and you know fruit in kind of

吃肉 你知道 全年都有水果，

throughout the year but that was not

但没有

supplemented but right now in the united

补充，但现在在

states they've also supplemented

美国，他们还补充了

bread flour breakfast cereals so there's

面包粉早餐麦片

been a

big you know supplementation program

going on throughout the united states

and really throughout the world for

vitamin a and

维生素 a 和

the consumption of multivitamins that's

多种维生素的消耗，这

kind of a new factor kind of since the

是自 1970 年代以来的一种新因素，

1970s

so there's a lot more vitamin a being

因此消耗了更多的维生素 a

consumed i actually did see a good chart

我实际上确实看到了一个很好的图表

of this

and it's if you look at look at it

，如果您以图形方式查看它，

graphically there's there's been about a

就会有关于

30

increase in vitamin a consumption kind

of generally speaking since the 1970s

从 1970

in the united states so it's not a 300

年代开始，美国的维生素消费量增加了 30，所以它不是 300，

but it's

但

still 30 percent is kind of significant

仍然是 30% 是很重要的，

especially once again it's it's

尤其是再一次，这是

you know doing the integral of that

你知道

curve over time

随着时间的推移对曲线进行积分，

so if you were to take accutane i mean

所以如果你 服用accutane我的

does that put you at a very

意思是这会让你

a much higher risk of the um vitamin a

面临更高的风险吗维生素a

toxicity like you think oh yes

毒性就像你想象的那样哦是的

you're younger okay oh yes so

你还年轻好吧哦是的

accutane is um it's a devastating uh

oaccutane 是嗯，它是一种毁灭性的

chemical this in my opinion it's no way

化学物质，在我看来，

it should ever still be on the market

它不可能一直在市场上销售，

um but there's kind of two two reasons

但有两个原因，

it's so devastating i believe one is

它是如此具有毁灭性，我相信一个是

it is um you know incredibly toxic by

它，嗯，你知道它本身具有令人难以置信的毒性，

itself

uh so this is quote the active form of

所以 这是维生素 a 的活性形式

vitamin a and there's many many people

，有很多人

that are devastated by that and there's

对此感到震惊，

a lot of people on my forum that have

我的论坛上有很多人

come from

都来自

uh taking accutane and you know what's

呃服用了accutane，你知道

documented in medical literature is that

医学文献中记录的是

these quote side effects are often

这些引用的副作用是 通常是

permanent and

永久性的，

some people don't ever recover from them

有些人永远不会从中恢复，

but the secondary

part of it i believe is it's not

但我相信它的次要部分

just being exposed to a toxic dose of

不仅仅是暴露于有毒剂量的

vitamin a

维生素 a

so when you're you know being exposed to

所以当你知道

high level vitamin a your body is

你的身体暴露于高水平的维生素 a 时

catabolizing it like i said we've got

像我说的那样分解代谢我们

really good defenses against vitamin a

对维生素a

liver and a bunch of

肝脏和一堆

detoxification enzymes when you take

解毒酶有很好的防御，当你服用accutane时，你会

accutane you kind of use up that reserve

消耗

of those detoxification enzymes and so

掉那些解毒酶的储备，所以

now you're at much bigger risk for

现在你

ongoing vitamin a toxicity than you

would be if you had never taken accutane

如果您从未服用过维他命，那么持续维生素 A 毒性的风险要大得多，

so accutane is kind of a double whammy

所以维他命是一种双重打击，

one it's a direct acute poisoning

它是一种直接的急性中毒

and it's reduced your defensive measures

，它减少了您

against

对

ongoing vitamin a consumption what if i

持续服用维他命 a 的防御措施，如果我

just

只是

took enzymes or liver supports you know

服用酶或肝脏支持剂 你知道

there's a ton of like

有很多类似

liver detox i mean would that help get

肝脏排毒 我的意思是这有助于

rid of the vitamin a toxicity i mean

消除维生素 a 毒性 我是说

yeah i i don't know i haven't looked at

是的 我不知道我没有看过

that

那个

um sure could be and that's kind of

嗯肯定可能是这样

where we are in this

的 我们在这个

you know this community that is growing

你知道这个

up around this

围绕

this theory is you know we are looking

这个理论成长的社区你知道我们正在

for better

寻找更好

safer ways to try to detoxify from

更安全的方法来尝试从

vitamin a i haven't specifically looked

维生素中解毒 ai 还没有专门研究

at you know liver enzymes

过你知道肝酶

possibly you know what's interesting is

可能你知道什么是有趣的

a lot of

是 很多

animal foods have vitamin a right so we

动物性食物都含有维生素a，所以我们

talked about liver

谈到了肝

eggs have it um butter is a big source

蛋，嗯，黄油也是一个重要的来源，

too so

所以

in your opinion do you think that we

在你看来，你认为我们

shouldn't be eating these foods or

不应该吃这些食物吗？

no i think no i think we just need to be

不，我认为不，我认为我们 只是需要

extra careful we need to one come to an

格外小心，我们需要

understanding that vitamin a is not a

了解维生素 a 不是一种

vitamin that's

维生素，这是

my personal theory on it yet to be

我个人的理论尚未得到

proven uh and we just need to be prudent

证实，呃，我们只需要

about you know how much we're consuming

谨慎，你知道我们消耗了多少，

because it does bioaccumulate so

因为它 是否会产生生物累积，所以像鱼肝油这样的

something like

东西

liver cod liver oil i think would just

我想

be you know no one should ever consume

只是你知道没有人应该吃

those foods um

这些食物嗯

it'd be hard to even call them foods but

甚至很难称它们为食物但是

things like butter milk and cheese

you know in reasonable amounts are going

你知道适量的黄油牛奶和奶酪之类的东西

to be fine

将会是 很好，

some of the things to be on the outlook

一些需要注意的事情是

for is

consuming vitamin a containing foods

食用含维生素 a 的食物

with breads with emulsifiers or other

和含有乳化剂或其他

emulsifiers would

乳化剂的面包会

increase your rate of absorption of it

增加您的吸收率，

so

因此

foods that have lots of sand some you

含有大量沙子的食物有些您

know other kind of emulsifiers that put

知道其他类型的

in a lot of common foods uh like soy

乳化剂 很多常见的食物，比如大豆

lethine that

赖氨酸，可以

emulsifies or wraps up vitamin a and

乳化或包裹维生素 a 并将其

brings it through the digestive

带入消化

wall i think people just need to be

壁，我认为人们只需要

aware that this is a potential problem

意识到这是一个潜在的问题

and you know be prudent about how much

，你知道要谨慎 关于

they're consuming

他们消耗了多少，

so for my book i did research on

所以在我的书中，我研究

different nutri

nutritional profiles on animal-based

了动物性

foods and one of the one of them was

食物的不同营养成分，其中之一是

beef liver and vitamin a amount

牛肝和维生素

for four ounces was about i can't

，四盎司的量大约是我不

remember the exact number but it's about

记得了 确切的数字，但它大约

624 percent of your daily value so here

是你每日价值的 624% 所以这里

we go okay

我们

real quick it's 5 614 micrograms

很快就可以了，它是 5614 微克

okay okay so

还可以，所以

based on you know what everything you're

基于你知道你

saying and then there's on top of that

在说什么，然后

there's a separate

还有另外一个

excess dose of copper um and there are

额外剂量的铜 嗯 有些

people that are copper toxic so

人对铜有毒，所以

okay you you know it's it's a fact that

好吧，你知道这是事实，

organ meat has a lot of nutrition but

器官肉有很多营养，

then there is a lot of

但也有很多

vitamin a yeah i mean even for the

维生素，是的，我的意思是，即使是

four ounces there's 620

四盎司

of your daily value so would you say

，你每天的价值也有 620，所以会 你说

maybe we just

也许我们只是

limit our um organ meats to maybe

将我们的器官肉限制

three ounces a week oh man um

在每周三盎司哦，伙计，

i'm giving you my opinion of course

我给你我的意见当然是

right and so

对的，所以

my opinion is no one should ever eat

我的意见是没有人应该永远吃

liver

肝脏

ever and kidneys also

和肾脏，

so the liver is kind of the body's

所以肝脏有点 身体的

primary storage organ for vitamin a

主要s 储存维生素 a 的器官

and metabolizes it but the kidneys are

并代谢它 但肾脏也

also

catabolizing acid and and some vitamin a

分解代谢酸和一些维生素 a

so the kidneys would be

所以肾脏是

you know toxic source uh the liver would

你知道的毒源 呃肝脏

be toxic source

是毒源

it's going to depend on the age of the

这也取决于动物的年龄

animal too you know most beef cattle

你最了解

in north america is harvested at kind of

北美的肉牛是在

less than three years of age this is

不到三岁的时候收获的 这

actually not going to be that toxic and

实际上不会有那么毒 而且

you're absolutely right in the liver

你在肝脏中绝对正确

there's going to be a bunch of other

会有一堆其他

good nutrients and detoxification

良好的营养物质和解毒

enzymes but

酶 但

i wouldn't make that trade-off kind of

我不会 不要做那种权衡，

you know there would be other sources

你知道

for those nutrients if you wanted them

如果你想要这些营养素还有其他来源

and this is not just a theory

，这不仅仅是一个理论，

um you know this is it's proving out in

嗯，你知道这是在现实生活中证明的，

real life so we've got a quite a

所以我们有

number of people uh now in uh i wanted

很多 呃现在在呃

to say on my forum in this community the

我想在这个社区的论坛上

vitamin a detoxification community

that have come from the you know

说来自你知道的

carnivore diet that included liver

包括肝脏在内的食肉动物饮食的维生素和解毒社区

are now quite sick and trying to

现在病得很重并试图

detoxify themselves and likewise for

解毒自己和likewi 对于

people coming from the western price

来自西方价格

foundation that have been consuming cod

基金会的人来说，他们一直在食用

liver oil extremely extremely sick

鱼肝油，病得很重

and are now trying to go through this

，现在正试图通过这个

process of detoxifying it

解毒过程，

so the trade-off is just not worth it in

所以在我看来，这种权衡是不值得的，

my opinion

i know we talked about certain symptoms

我知道我们谈到了某些 症状

but what are some main symptoms i know

但有哪些主要症状 我知道

you had eczema

你有湿疹

yeah so i think the main

是的 所以我认为主要

symptoms are going to be well it affects

症状会好起来 它会

the entire body so people need to know

影响整个身体 所以人们需要知道

that

vitamin a slowly poisons the entire body

维生素 a 会慢慢毒害整个身体

so but i think the most common ones are

所以但我认为最常见的

going to be gi issues

将是 gi 问题

cognitive issues anxiety depression skin

认知问题 焦虑抑郁 皮肤

issues

dry eyes hair loss problems with

问题 眼睛干涩 脱发

their teeth and gums the symptoms of

牙齿和牙龈问题 坏血病的症状

scurvy

you know mouth ulcers i'm just trying to

你知道口腔溃疡 我只是想在

think here

这里想

you know poor bone development

你知道骨骼发育不良 骨质

osteoporosis so those are probably some

疏松症 所以这些可能是

of the big ones

一些 最重要的

what's interesting is that in the

是，有趣的是，在

carnivore community a lot of people

食肉动物社区中，很多人

heal their gut or they heal a lot of the

治愈了他们的肠道，或者他们治愈了很多

skin issues right so they

皮肤问题，所以

if you ski heal a lot of your like small

如果你滑雪，他们就会治愈很多 你就像小肠

intestine

and you now have a stronger small

，你现在有一个更强壮的小肠

intestine

that's where a lot of your immune health

，这是你的很多免疫健康

is and so then people see healing in

所在，然后人们看到

their skin

他们的皮肤正在愈合

i think from the medical research you

我认为从医学研究中你

know i think the skin issues are

知道我认为皮肤问题

more predominantly if caused by

更主要是由β引起的

beta-carotene so

-胡萝卜素 所以

the pro-form versions of vitamin a and

维生素a的前体版本和

people see this when they

人们看到这一点，当

you know they eat you know too many

他们知道他们吃的时候，你知道太多的

carrots or sweet potatoes or you know

胡萝卜或红薯，或者你

squash their skin turns orange so you

知道他们的皮肤变成橙色，所以你

can literally see

可以从字面上看到

you know beta carotene accumulating in

你知道β-胡萝卜素在

someone's skin so i think that's

某人的皮肤中积累 所以我认为这

primarily um the driver behind

主要是湿疹和银屑病背后的驱动因素

eczema and probably psoriasis and

there's been several

young men on my forum that

，我的论坛上有几个年轻人

coincidentally both in australia that

巧合的是，他们在

were eating sweet potatoes for a number

澳大利亚吃了

of years both of them developed very

很多年的红薯 他们都患上了非常

severe eczema

严重的湿疹

and you know went off the sweet potatoes

，你知道的 红薯

and recovered their skin so i think it's

并恢复了他们的皮肤所以我认为这是

pretty good evidence that

一个很好的证据表明

beta-carotene is the bigger factor for

β-胡萝卜素是皮肤问题的更大因素

the skin

issues however this is a tricky

但是这是一个 棘手

tricky topic because if you're consuming

棘手的话题，因为如果您正在服用

you know vitamin a the pre-formed the

维生素，您就会知道维生素 a 预先形成的

animal form

动物形式

of vitamin a retinol or retinal

的维生素 a 视黄醇或视黄醛

palmitate

棕榈酸酯

that is predominantly going to get

，主要会

stored in your liver so it kind of

储存在您的肝脏中，因此它

protects your other tissues from its

可以保护您的其他组织免受其

toxicity and the liver is going to deal

毒性和

with it slowly over time

随着时间的推移，肝脏会慢慢地处理它，

so it won't manifest itself in the skin

所以它不会在皮肤上表现得

so much

如此之多，

but eventually uh your liver is going to

但最终呃你的肝脏会

become saturated

变得饱和

and diseased and then you're going to be

和患病，然后你会

in trouble

遇到麻烦

and then when you talked about these

，然后当你谈到 这些

other fats so a lot of people make liver

其他脂肪 所以很多人

into pates with butter yeah

用黄油把肝脏做成肉酱 是的，

absolutely disaster but you know once

绝对是灾难

again you know people need to

uh read the read the research there's

just

tons and tons of research on vitamin a

both there's lots of research

advocating for vitamin a and and you

维生素 a 并且你

know

知道

talking about its benefits and there's

谈论它的好处 有

lots of research talking about the

很多研究谈论

toxicity of it

它

and you know don't go on my opinion you

的毒性 你知道不要继续我的意见 你

know people need to read the research

知道人们需要阅读研究

and decide for themselves

a 自己决定

so what's your diet like then well

所以你的饮食是什么样的那么

uh let me first say that what i do with

好吧让我先说我对

my diet i'm doing for a very specific

我的饮食所做的我是出于一个非常具体的

scientific reason

科学原因

so this is not a diet that someone

所以这不是某人

should mimic or you know say oh

应该模仿的饮食或者你知道说哦

grandson i died i'll do that diet people

孙子我 死了我会做那种饮食人们

need to find out what works best for

需要找出最适合

themselves so what my diet is

自己的饮食所以我的饮食

is primarily beef and bison

主要是牛肉和野牛

white rice brown rice black beans salt

白米糙米黑豆盐

and coffee and i've been on that diet

和咖啡我已经坚持这种

for about six and a half

饮食大约六年半了

years and so maybe just some other

年，所以也许只是其他一些

comments the reason i

评论，我之所以

use bison versus beef for the most part

使用野牛与牛肉相比，在很大程度上

is just because it's lower in fat and

只是因为它的脂肪含量较低，

i'm not saying that beef isn't perfectly

我并不是说牛肉不是很好，

fine i think beef is perfectly fine

我认为牛肉非常好，

even beef with quite a bit of fat in it

即使牛肉含有相当多的脂肪 里面有一点脂肪

it's perfectly fine nothing wrong with

，完全没问题，没什么问题，

it

but i'm just trying to eliminate all

但我只是想

possible vitamin a from my

从我的个人饮食中消除所有可能的维生素 a，

personal diet to prove a point that a

以证明一个

human can live for

人可以

seven or ten years with no vitamin a in

在没有维生素 a 的饮食中存活七年或十年，

their diet so that's

所以 那就是

you know that's my personal mission i'm

你知道这是我的个人使命

not doing that for health reasons

出于健康原因

anymore it's just for me

，我不再这样做了，我只是

to prove a point do you get fat in your

为了证明您的饮食中是否发胖了

diet i mean other than the ones that may

我的意思是除了

be in some beef but

某些牛肉中可能

you don't eat added fats no i don't

含有的脂肪外，但您不吃添加的脂肪，不，我不吃。

and i would love to find a good safe

我很想找到一个很好的安全

source of fat um

脂肪来源嗯

i know i don't add any fat i you know

我知道我不添加任何脂肪我你知道

when i when i

当我

cook beef uh you know roast beef

煮牛肉时你知道烤牛肉

typically with fat on i

通常带有脂肪我

definitely eat all the fat so i'm not

肯定会吃掉所有的脂肪所以我 我一点也不

adverse to fat at all

反对脂肪

and bison is very low in fat and that's

，野牛的脂肪含量很低，

kind of probably about 80 percent of my

这可能占我肉类消耗量的 80% 左右，

meat consumption and other that i don't

have fat

sometimes with your hormones if you you

如果你

know

知道

don't eat enough fat then you can have

脂肪摄入不足，我有时不会因为你的荷尔蒙而摄入脂肪 你的皮肤可能会

thinning skin so how do

变薄，所以你

you know i know this i'm going into

怎么知道我知道这一点，我

circles a little bit but it's like how

有点绕圈子，但这就像

do we know

我们怎么知道

right like i'm i'm guessing that ever

的一样，我猜

since you were diagnosed with any of the

自从你被诊断出患有任何

liver issues and then the eczema you

肝脏问题以来 然后是湿疹，你也

cleaned up your diet in other areas too

清理了其他地方的饮食，

so how do we know specifically

所以我们怎么

that it was the vitamin e and not some

知道是维生素 E 而不是

other you know like toxic oils in your

其他一些你知道的像你

diet or something else

饮食中的有毒油或其他东西

yeah well i had a pretty good diet

是的，我的饮食非常好，

leading up to my

导致我的

disease conditions so so i wasn't really

疾病，所以我根本没有

eating a terrible diet at all i thought

吃糟糕的饮食，我以为

i was eating a very healthy diet and so

我吃的是非常健康的饮食， 所以

uh but i did kind of experiment itself i

呃，但我自己做了一些实验，

did you know through

你知道

out last four or five years i did add

在过去的四五年里，我确实添加

back gluten and

了麸质和

white sourdough bread and i did it for a

白酵母面包，而且我也做了

good long period of time too it was just

很长一段时间，只是

um you know for about three or four

嗯，你知道大约三年 或者

months i replaced the rice for this

四个月，我把米饭换成了这个

sourdough bread and i had no adverse

酸面包，现在我真的没有对它产生不良

reaction to it really

反应，因为

now be i was very careful to make sure

我非常小心地

that the bread had no

确保面包里没有

canola oil in it and then the other

菜籽油，然后

experiment i did

我做的另一个实验

was with you know high dose sugar as you

是和你知道的高

know ridiculous as doing like 200 grams

正如你所知，每天摄入 200 克糖是荒谬的，

of sugar a day

and no adverse reactions to that

而且对健康或体重没有不良反应，

health wise or body weight wise or

或者

really anything is kind of surprising

真的任何事情都令人惊讶，

so i did re-challenge myself with some

所以我确实用

of those kind of more

一些更多种的

kind of commonly viewed as you know

方式重新挑战自己 常见的 正如您所知道的

negative

负面

dietary items but to answer your

饮食项目，但要回答您的

question

问题，

you know i don't think people should

您知道我认为人们不应该

look at me as kind of the de facto

将我视为

you know reference case and that's why i

您所知道的事实参考案例，这就是为什么

kind of you know published the ebooks

我知道您出版

that i published and put together the

了我出版并放在一起的电子书

forum that i put together because i

我把这个论坛放在一起，因为我

wanted to

想让

you know try to get other people taking

你知道，试着让其他人接受

this on and now we have you know

这个，现在我们有

hundreds of people it's probably close

数百人，

to about a thousand people worldwide

全世界可能有大约一千人在

that are doing this and a lot of people

做这件事，很多

are indeed recovering their health

人确实在康复 他们的健康

and they have a wide variety of diets so

，他们有各种各样的饮食，所以

you know

你知道

my own personal diet with white and

我个人的饮食，包括白米和

brown rice a lot of people aren't doing

糙米，很多人没有这样

that and they're staying away from the

做，他们远离

beans so

豆类，所以

you know a large variety of diets

你知道各种各样的饮食

with the common theme of eliminating

vitamin a from their diet or reducing

从他们的饮食中消除维生素 a 或减少他们饮食中的维生素

the vitamin a in their diet

and a lot of people are experiencing

a 的共同主题，现在很多人正在经历

health improvements now

健康状况的改善，

what's happening is you know this is by

你知道这

no means a quick fix

绝不是一个快速的解决方案

and it's no by no means an easy fix

，也不是通过 这不是一个简单的解决办法，

because what's happening

因为发生的事情

uh often is people experience a pretty

呃经常是人们

good

uh improvement in their health and you

的健康状况得到了很好的改善，你

know

知道

within a two or three month period they

在两三个月内他们

start kind of sliding backwards and

开始倒退并

start experiencing worse health and

开始经历更糟的健康，

we're getting a good understanding of

我们得到了很好的理解

why that's happening

为什么会发生

um so this is not you know an easy thing

这种情况 嗯 所以这不是你知道一件容易接受的

to take on

and it's not you know it's not a it's

事情 也不是你知道这

not a panacea

不是灵丹妙药

i mean that could be the herxheimer

我的意思是这可能是赫克斯海默

effect you know where just you are

效应 你知道你在哪里

detoxing and then you could just feel

排毒 然后你就可以感觉到

worse

更糟糕的

um yeah how long after typically from

是，是的，通常是

the

在

thousand people that are doing this i

数千人这样做之后多久，我的

mean how long do you notice

意思是你注意到

or how long does it take for them to

多久，或者他们需要多长时间才能

start noticing

开始注意到

improvements in their symptoms so what

他们的症状有所改善，所以

happens

会发生什么，

uh i'm gonna say typically you know of

呃我通常会说你知道

course every it's all over the map you

当然每一个都在地图上你

know there's people coming from all

知道有人来自

kinds of different

各种不同的

health histories dietary histories and

健康史饮食历史和

situations so it's you know the results

情况所以你知道

are over the map

结果在

i did put together a survey uh back in

我做的地图上 在八月份进行一项调查，

august and it's up on my up on my blog

呃，它在我的博客上发布

and people can go and look at that and

，人们可以去查看并

read it so you kind of see this general

阅读它，这样您就会看到

improvement in health but to answer your

健康状况的普遍改善，但要回答您的

question so what happens

问题，因此

typically within about two or three

通常会在大约两年内发生 或者

months people experience

三个月，人们

a really kind of profound

improvement in their health so this is

的健康状况确实有了很大的改善，所以这

kind of the honeymoon period

是蜜月期

and then for a lot of people they kind

，然后对很多人来说，

of start sliding backwards and they

他们开始

end up in either you know back to where

倒退，最终他们要么回到原来的位置

they were or even slightly worse

，要么甚至 稍微更糟，

uh now there are other people and kind

现在还有其他人，并且

of seeing a pattern

有点看到一种模式

is people that come into this and if

是人们进入这种情况，如果

they're generally healthy and they don't

他们总体上健康并且他们

have you know

没有你

a disease condition and they take this

知道疾病状况，他们会

on for those people

为那些

they don't really typically slide

他们不知道的人接受这个 真的通常会

backwards they

倒退，

they take it on they start to see

他们接受了他们开始看到

improvement in their health and they

他们的健康状况有所改善，

just get better and better

他们变得越来越好，

and better so but you mentioned the word

所以但你提到了排毒这个词

detox and that's the

，这

you know the term that's been used in

就是你知道的那个词 在

this community to describe what's going

这个社区中 sed 来

on with this

描述这种

sliding backwards originally a little

向后滑动的情况 最初

bit of opposed to that term it kind of

有点反对该术语

sounds like a lame kind of cop out oh

听起来像是一种蹩脚的警察 哦，

this is just detox and you know we'll

这只是排毒，你知道我们将

have to put up with it

不得不忍受它

but it's actually proving out so what

但事实证明，

what happens is when people take on the

当人们开始节食时会发生什么

diet they go on a low vitamin a diet

他们会吃低维生素

uh you know they start experiencing good

呃你知道他们开始体验良好的

health start sliding backwards and

健康 开始倒退

what's happening

正在发生的事情

is their vitamin a serum levels are

是他们的维生素 血清水平

actually increasing sometimes quite

实际上有时会

dramatically

急剧增加

so you know with about 30 percent of the

所以你知道大约 30% 的

north american population have fatty

北美人口患有脂肪

liver

肝，

disease as you take this on and you're

当你接受这个时，你

not storing vitamin a into your liver

不再将维生素 A 储存到你的肝脏中

anymore

，

the liver is starting to detoxify itself

肝脏开始自我解毒

and kind of normalize but in doing so

并恢复正常，但这样

it's dumping vitamin a back into serum

做是在倾倒 维生素 a 回到血清中

and that is toxic

，那是有毒的，

it's actually one of the most toxic

它实际上是维生素 a 毒性最大的

forms of vitamin a so i mentioned you

形式之一，所以我提到你

know retinoic acid so kind of the second

知道视黄酸，所以

most toxic form

第二种毒性最大的形式

is what's called vitamin a palmitate the

是 w 维生素 a 棕榈酸酯是

storage form in the liver

肝脏中的储存形式，

so the liver starts kind of dumping that

因此肝脏开始将其倾倒

back into serum and then you start

回血清中，然后您开始

feeling really crappy because now

感觉非常糟糕，因为现在

you're actually internally poisoning

您实际上是在内部中毒

yourself and so the trick is you know

，所以诀窍是您知道

how do we get this

我们是如何得到这个的

out of circulation faster and safer so

血液循环更快更安全所以

how do you do that then

你怎么做那么

i mean do you not fully remove the

我的意思是你没有完全去除

vitamin d i mean how do you

维生素 di 意思是你怎么

that's that's a really good question and

做这是一个非常好的问题

we when i say we

我们当我说我们

um you know myself i don't know i'm kind

嗯你知道我自己我不知道我 我

of hoping that we can kind of

有点希望我们能

gravitate towards that understanding

倾向于这种理解

there's a whole bunch of people kind of

有一大群

you know personally experimenting with

你认识的人亲自试验过

this so dietary fiber

这个所以膳食

is probably quite important dietary fat

纤维可能是非常重要的膳食脂肪

you mentioned dietary fat i think if you

你提到的膳食脂肪我想如果你的

had a really high fat content

脂肪含量真的很高

in your diet would be fantastic because

在你的饮食中会很棒，因为

that would help for you know

这会帮助你知道

increase bile flow so the vitamin a

增加胆汁流量，所以

that's coming out of the liver is

从肝脏出来的维生素 a 被

getting

excreted into bile the bile comes into

排泄到胆汁中，胆汁进入

your

你的

intestine and unfortunately like

肠道 不幸的

something like 85 or 90

是，像

of the vitamin a that's in that bile

胆汁中的 85 或 90 维生素 a 之类的东西

gets reabsorbed and so

会被重新吸收，所以

that is the you know the dangerous uh

这就是你知道危险的呃

situation and spot for it

情况并发现它

so if you have adequate dietary fiber

所以如果你有足够的膳食纤维也许你会摄入

maybe adequate dietary fat

足够的膳食脂肪

you're going to expel a lot of that

排出很多，

rather than having come

而不是

back into circulation yeah yeah that

重新进入循环 是的 是的，这

makes sense because but

是有道理的，因为但

most of our bile is reabsorbed just

我们的大部分胆汁都被重新吸收，只是

because it's so expensive to make within

因为在体内制造成本太高，

the body so it makes a lot of sense

所以很有意义

so dietary salt very important you do

所以饮食中的盐非常重要，你

not want to compromise your

不要 想要损害

your bioproduction bioflow oh yeah i

您的生物生产生物流 哦，是的，我

agree

同意

it's interesting i mean there's so many

这很有趣，我的意思

like avenues that people focus in on and

是人们关注的途径太多了，就像人们关注草酸盐

it's like the oxel the community that's

的 oxel 社区一样，

into the oxalates

you notice these symptoms and it's like

您会注意到这些症状，就像

how do you reduce it without poisoning

如何在不中毒的情况下减少它

yourself

你

and poisoning some of the cells that can

自己中毒一些细胞，然后这些细胞

then never regenerate type of thing

永远不会再生类型的东西

and then even in this vitamin a i think

，然后即使在这种维生素中，我认为

there are people that

有些人

try carnivore and they feel great and

尝试食肉动物，他们 感觉很好，

then all of a sudden like you said they

然后突然像你说的那样他们

start regressing and i wonder if it's

开始倒退，我想

you know this is not that everyone has

知道是不是你知道这不是每个人都

to try this but that you know there is a

必须尝试这个，而是你知道社区有

big push for eating organ meats in the

很大的推动力来吃器官肉

community yeah

是的，

if i can if i can interrupt you and and

如果我可以的话 如果我可以打断你并且

you know ask you

你知道问你

um no to do your own research here

不在这里做你自己的研究，

because

因为

i see the carnivore diet as a huge

我认为食肉动物饮食是一个巨大的

opportunity

机会，

i think it is such a great fantastic

我认为这是一个非常棒的

natural experiment that's going on

自然实验，正在进行中，

because we have people that have

因为我们有人

basically taken on kind of the ultimate

基本上已经 关于终极

elimination diet you know

消除饮食，你

and it's primarily one food and we've

知道它主要是一种食物，我们

actually got two camps in that carnivore

实际上在那个食肉动物社区有两个

uh

community we've got the camp that is

营地，我们有一个

eating you know mussel meat and maybe

吃你知道贻贝肉的营地，

maybe some eggs and stuff and then we've

也许还有一些鸡蛋之类的东西，然后我们 “

got the camp that's eating mussel meat

有一个吃贻贝肉

and organs and you know liver kidneys

和器官的营地，你知道肝肾

let's say livers

让我们说

both of those would be toxic so if you

这两种肝脏都是有毒的所以如果你

can and you know i'd love for you to do

可以，你知道我很乐意让你这样做

this

is you know pull the community find you

是你知道拉社区找到你

know get that group of people that are

知道的 得到 那群

purely muscle meat carnivores and see

纯粹是肉食肉食动物的人，

how they're doing

看看他们是怎么做

and the group in the community that's

的，而社区中的那群人，他们是

muscle meat plus the organ meats

肌肉肉加上器官肉

and see how they're doing and i'll tell

，看看他们是怎么做的，我会告诉

you what i think is the

你我认为是

one of the important biomarkers for

其中之一 重要的生物标志物，用于

looking at how they're doing

观察它们的表现

and that's the ldl cholesterols so

，那就是 ldl 胆固醇，

the ldl cholesterol is actually a

因此 ldl 胆固醇实际上是维生素 a 的

carrier

载体

lipid for vitamin a so as your vitamin a

脂质，因此当

storage goes up in your liver your ldl

您的肝脏中的维生素 a 储存量增加时，您的 ldl

levels are going to be going up

水平将会上升，

so there's been this great debate in the

所以有 在

cardiovascular community about

心血管界进行了一场关于

you know the pros and cons of the um you

你知道的利弊的辩论 你知道 嗯 你

know the significance of ldl cholesterol

知道 ldl

there's people saying yes it's important

胆固醇的重要性 有人说是的 这很重要

people say no it's not important

人们说不 这并不重要

but actually is but it's not the ldl

但实际上很重要 但它不是 ldl

cholesterol particle itself it's what's

胆固醇颗粒本身它是什么

inside the ldl particle

在低密度脂蛋白颗粒内

and that is vitamin a so my prediction

，那是维生素 a 所以我的预测

is

是

what you'll see if you can survey the

如果你能调查社区你会看到

community your community

你的社区

is the people that are on the pure

是纯

muscle meat carnivore diet

肌肉肉食肉食的人

their ldl levels will have gone down

他们的低密度脂蛋白水平会下降，

whereas those

而

that are on muscle meat plus liver

那些吃肌肉肉和

uh their ldl levels will have gone up

肝脏的人的低密度脂蛋白水平会上升

and we're actually seeing that people

，我们实际上看到人们

are sharing their

their cholesterol numbers on our form

在我们的表格上分享他们的胆固醇数字，

we're you know we're definitely seeing

你知道我们肯定 看到

people reducing

人们降低

their their cholesterol levels

他们的胆固醇水平，

specifically the aldol cholesterol

特别是羟醛胆固醇的

number

数量

being on a low vitamin a diet love to

是低维生素饮食喜欢

get that data

获得

that's so interesting well it's you know

如此有趣的数据你

what the problem is

知道问题是什么

and you're absolutely right there's two

，你绝对正确有两个

different caps

不同的上限

the issue that i'm seeing though is that

我的问题 我看到的是，

you know with all the supplementation

你知道所有的补充剂，

these like

就像

other kind of alternative ways to get us

其他让我们吃肝脏的替代方法一样，

to be eating liver

i think more and more of the community

我认为越来越多的社区

is now taking it even though they're not

现在正在服用它，即使他们

you know consuming it in the food form

不知道在食物中食用它 形式

yeah i understand

是的，我理解

and so i wonder i don't know i'm just

，所以我想知道我不知道我

trying to think of even people in the

只是想想想

community i know but i don't know how

我认识的社区中的人，但我不知道有

many people

多少人

don't touch liver i think there's a

不接触肝脏我认为有一个

smaller few but i don't think it's

sma 很少，但我认为这

a whole lot yeah so it this is going to

不是很多，是的，所以这将

be tragic because i'll make a prediction

是悲惨的，因为我会做出一个预测

that this will if someone doesn't kind

，如果有人不对此

of zero in on this and

持零看法，

and understand that there's this

并且理解存在这种

distinction uh the carnivore community

区别，呃 食肉动物

is going to

社区将会

implode because oh it's already yeah

崩溃，因为哦，它已经是了，

because what's going to happen is so

因为将要发生的事情是

many people are going to get sick

很多人会生病

and it's it's going to be severe and

，而且情况会很严重

it's um and

，嗯，

that's why i wanted you on i mean as

这就是为什么我想让你加入我的意思

much as you know i'm a big fan of butter

和你知道的一样 我是黄油的忠实粉丝，

i think chicken liver pate because

我认为鸡肝酱是因为

chicken liver actually has a little less

鸡肝的

vitamin a than beef liver does so i've

维生素 a 实际上比牛肝少一点，所以我

been a fan of that but

一直是黄油的粉丝，但

it still does have a lot of vitamin a so

它仍然含有很多维生素 a 所以

yeah um and i've always been on the

是的，嗯和 我一直

fence about cod liver oil

对鱼肝油持怀疑态度，

but i just wanted you on because in case

但我只是想让你吃，因为以防

someone in the community is not feeling

万一社区中的某个人感觉

as well as they used to be maybe it's

不像过去那样好，也许

not the hormones

不是荷尔蒙，

maybe it's not their thyroid maybe it's

也许不是他们的甲状腺，也许

actually vitamin a it's just a different

实际上是维生素 a 这只是一个不同的

avenue that people can kind of look into

途径，人们 c 一种

for sure but butter is still pretty high

肯定的调查，但黄油仍然相当高

i mean just when i was looking at the

我的意思是，当我查看

data it looks like butter has

数据时，它看起来像黄油

a pretty good amount of vitamin a yeah

含有相当多的维生素 a 是的

um and so

，所以

for people that are just eating muscle

对于那些只吃

meat but adding a lot of uh butter

肌肉但添加了 很多呃黄油

that could still increase their vitamin

仍然可以增加他们的维生素

a right or no it

a

yeah it could still kind of you know

是的它仍然可以让你知道到目前为止

it's an order of magnitude less than

它比肝脏低一个数量级

liver by far and so

所以

you know yeah i personally i'm not going

你知道是的我个人我

to eat butter and a lot of people in my

不会吃黄油和 很多像我这样的人

form have tried butter and had a bad

都尝试过黄油并且对它有不好的

reaction to it so they you know

反应所以他们你知道

very few people are actually consuming

很少有人真正食用

butter that i know of i think butter

我所知道的黄油我认为黄油

should be off the menu

应该从菜单上删除

that's my personal opinion okay

这是我个人的意见好吧

i wonder how the makeup of a lot of our

我想知道 我们的很多

homogenized pasteurized butters and

均质巴氏杀菌黄油和

dairies have the added vitamin a but i

乳制品都添加了维生素 a，但我

wonder what

想知道是

what the and i haven't done this

什么，我实际上还没有做过这项

research actually but i wonder what the

研究，但我想知道

composition of raw butter looks like is

生黄油的成分是什么样的，

it still that high in vitamin a

它的维生素含量仍然很高

i suspect it wouldn't be it's going to

吗？ 瓦 它不会

be seasonal so

是季节性的，所以

you know summer that you know butter

你知道夏天，你

that's made in the summer is going to be

知道夏天制作的黄油会

higher because you know

更高，因为你

the cattle are eating grass i'd be far

知道牛在吃草

less concerned about that if you could

，如果你能

find a natural

找到一种天然的，我就不会那么担心了

farm source of butter that would be you

know kind of the safest if you really

如果你真的

kind of

determined to get butter in your diet a

决定在你的饮食中加入黄油，那么农场的黄油来源是最安全的

lot of my community members and the

。我的很多社区成员和与

clients i work with they do

我一起工作的客户

better so they sleep better through the

做得更好，所以

night when they add fat and a lot of

当他们添加时，他们整晚都睡得更好 脂肪，很多

times

时候

like they don't like eating the tallow

他们不喜欢吃牛油

or the suet because it just tastes too

或羊脂，因为它尝起来太有

rubbery

弹性了

and so then they opt for butter but you

，所以他们选择黄油，但你

know maybe there's another alternative i

知道也许还有另一种选择，

do like olive oil because it tends to

我喜欢橄榄油，因为它往往会

lower your ldl

降低你的低密度脂蛋白

but i but olive oil also tends to be cut

但是我但是橄榄油也倾向于

with a lot of seed oil so

用大量的种子油切开所以

yeah unfortunately that's true yeah yeah

是的，不幸的是，这是真的，是的，

it's tough okay so yeah i think it's a

这很难，所以是的，我认为这是一个

you know i think this conversation is

你知道的，我认为这次谈话

just really important because

非常重要，因为

we do talk a lot about nose to tail and

我们确实谈论了很多关于鼻子的事情 尾巴并

eating everything in the animal and i

吃掉动物的所有东西，我

think it's

认为这

good but we don't live in the

很好，但我们并不生活在

yesteryears where

过去，

there was one organ for the whole tribe

整个部落只有一个器官

and maybe they got it

，也许他们

once every month or so right yeah yeah

每个月左右得到一次，是的，是的，

liver and so i always recommend to my

肝脏，所以我总是推荐 对我的

clients

客户

um even when i did my nutritional

嗯，即使在我进行营养研究时，

research i just saw that vitamin a and

我也看到器官肉中的维生素 a

copper really high in organ meats and so

和铜含量非常高，所以

i've kind of took a step back and said

我有点退后一步

maybe you should just have at most like

说也许你最多应该吃

four to six ounces a week and

四到六盎司 一周，

it sounds like even that's a lot but you

听起来好像很多，但你

know the like these other

知道像

people that you've mentioned they say

你提到的其他人一样，他们说

there's no limit and you shouldn't be

没有限制，你不应该

scared of

害怕

you know cod liver oil you shouldn't be

你知道鱼肝油你不应该

scared of vitamin a toxicity it doesn't

害怕维生素a毒性 它并不

really exist um

真的存在，嗯，

yeah yeah it's uh you know it kind of

是的，是的，嗯，你知道这

maybe to help put it into perspective i

可能有助于正确

guess on on timing so

看待时间，所以

you know the big factor here is time you

你知道这里的重要因素是时间，你

know this is

知道这是

decades of time and so uh one woman

几十年的时间，所以呃一个女人

um kind of last year sent me an email

嗯 去年给我发了一封电子邮件

and she said she was eating liver every

，她说 她每天都在吃肝脏，

day for i think she said

因为我想她说

20 years i kind of have a hard time

20 年来我有点

believing that but let's let's take it

难以相信，但让我们

at face value and say she was and then

从表面上看，说她是，然后

she said well she's horribly sick and

她说她病得很厉害，而且

she's got all kinds of autoimmune

她患有各种自身免疫性

diseases and

疾病

um you know whatever leslie with that

嗯，你知道 leslie 有什么用，

so it kind of gives you an indication

所以它给你一个指示

how long you could get away with eating

，你可以多久吃一次

liver uh you know on a regular basis and

肝脏，嗯，你知道定期吃肝脏，

not kind of feel the side effects of it

不会感觉到它的副作用，

so yeah it is tricky um well

所以是的，这很棘手，嗯，

i did a hair mineral test on and

我 做了头发矿物质测试，

obviously they don't show vitamin a but

显然它们没有显示维生素 a 但

i did a hair mineral test on one lady

我对一位每天吃肝脏类型食物的女士进行了头发矿物质测试，

that was eating

a liver type of food every day she just

她刚

started incorporating because you know

开始加入，因为你知道

we here in the carnivore community

我们在食肉动物社区的

organ meats and it's true organ meats

器官肉 器官肉

have a lot of nutrition

确实有很多营养，

but there's can be side effects of the

但过量可能会产生副作用

excess right and so right

，所以

when we did her blood her hair mineral

当我们给她抽血时 她的头发矿物质

test her

测试 她的

copper was through the roof okay i was

铜通过屋顶 好吧 我

like you need to

就像你需要

stop and she just was and she came to me

停下来 她只是 她来找我

because she's just stopped feeling well

是因为

when

当

you know she was starting to eat uh

你知道她开始

variety on the carnivore diet it's

在食肉动物饮食中吃各种各样的食物时，她就感觉不舒服了，

especially organ meats

尤其是器官肉，

right i told her to cut the um no liver

对，我告诉她要切掉嗯没有肝脏的

whatsoever not chicken not beef

任何东西，不是鸡肉不是牛肉

and um yeah i mean i think she started

，嗯，是的，我的意思是我 认为她开始

feeling a little bit better but

感觉好一点但

you know we didn't get it tested again

你知道我们还没有再次进行测试

yet so right

所以

i think yeah one of the failings of you

我认为是的你的失败之一你

know kind of the analysis

知道

with you know eating liver specifically

分析你知道特别吃肝脏

so the liver is the detoxification or

所以肝脏是解毒或

organ of an animal so

器官 一种动物，所以

you know and the people on the carnivore

你知道，食肉动物饮食的人们会

diet kind of vilified plants and saying

诋毁植物，并说

all these plants are full of toxins

所有这些植物都充满了毒素，

we're not going to eat them but

我们不会吃它们，但

you know a cow out grazing grass in the

你知道，一头在地里吃草的母牛

field is going to be

会

ingesting a bunch of plant toxins and

摄入 一堆植物毒素

those plant toxins are going to

那些植物毒素会

accumulate in that

在

liver and so by us eating that we're

肝脏中积聚 所以通过我们吃东西 我们

getting you know

让你知道

big dose of plant toxins and so it's so

大剂量的植物毒素 所以

ironic that people are you know taking

讽刺的是你认识的人们正在

on the carnivore diet to eliminate

接受食肉动物 d 即消除

plants but yet they're ingesting the

植物，但它们通过肝脏摄取

worst part of it

最糟糕的部分，

through the liver uh you know and that

嗯，你知道，这

is interesting

很有趣，

i mean so i've done research with

我的意思是，所以我已经对草甘膦进行了研究，

glyphosate and okay

the it's it's not as dangerous as eating

好吧，它不如吃植物那么危险，

the plants specifically because

因为

um there are amino acids that could

嗯 有氨基酸可以

protect you from the animal meat so in

保护你免受动物肉的伤害，所以从

that sense

这个意义上说，

but you're right like the liver itself

但你是对的，就像肝脏本身

will have

会

um toxins stored so and that makes sense

储存一些毒素，所以这是有道理的

and i'm sure i'm gonna make my kids so

，我相信我会让我的孩子们很

happy by never having them eat liver but

开心 从来没有让他们吃肝脏，但

um yeah i think it's just something to

嗯，是的，我认为这只是需要考虑的事情，

consider and

i i did a blog post not too long ago

不久前我写了一篇博客文章

where my kind of over

，

all analysis of the carnivore diet if

如果

you want to do it long term considering

你想长期考虑

minerals

矿物质，

i mean magnesium is just low in beef so

我对食肉动物饮食的全面分析我的意思是镁是 只是牛肉含量低，所以

i think eating a variety

我认为吃多种食物

and it doesn't have to include organs

，它不必包括器官，

like if you eat

比如你吃

some seafood and um some beef and

一些海鲜，嗯一些牛肉、

chicken and pork and just having a

鸡肉和猪肉，而且

variety can possibly give you a better

种类繁多可能比只吃 mu 给你更好的

nutrient profile than just eating mussel

营养成分 塞尔

meat

肉

or just eating beef plus beef liver and

或只吃牛肉加牛肝和

other oils yeah

其他油是的

that was the research i did and it that

，这就是我所做的研究，

one's really easy i mean just

这真的很

pull out all the nutritional information

right different foods and then look at

the daily values it was super simple

but we don't talk about a lot of this

简单 不要谈论很多这样的

stuff and i think you know we revered

东西，我想你知道我们崇敬

this whole

这一切，

you know eating nose detail so i think

你知道吃鼻子的细节，所以我认为

it's important to talk about this

谈论这个很重要

oh yeah um yeah i may just actually do a

哦，是的，是的，我可能只是做一个

survey i may

调查我可能

you know i'll i can reach out to my

你知道我 我可以联系我的

community and ask

社区并询问

how many of you don't do um organ meats

你们中有多少人不做器官肉

and then what's your ldl so your

，然后你的 ldl 是什么，所以

your assumption is that ldl will be

你的假设是 ldl 会在

lower right because that was

右下方，因为那是对的，

yeah now we need to kind of be a bit

现在我们需要有点

more specific i think it'd be important

更具体地说，我认为

to survey people that are kind of

调查

one year in and beyond so this might not

一年及以后的人很重要，所以这可能不会

show up in the first

出现在第一

year let's say maybe it will but you

年让我们说可能会但你

know people that have been on the

知道那些一直在

carnivore diet for one plus years that

食肉动物饮食的人 那

would be fantastic piece of data

将是一段美妙的时光 数据

i would love to see that data okay yeah

我很想看到数据 好的

i'll take a look

我会看看

um i do notice that um and i it's normal

嗯 我确实注意到 嗯 我这是正常的

because we're all eating more saturated

因为我们都吃更多的饱和

fats but

脂肪 但

most carnivores that ldl does go up so

大多数食肉动物的 ldl 确实上升

it's just i wonder

所以我只是想

how we would measure what is high versus

知道我们是怎么做的 会衡量什么是高与

maybe it's just the

也许只是

average of the populations i don't know

人口的平均值我不知道

yeah just compare the two groups you

是的只是比较你知道的两组

know just

i always say you know take the average

我总是说你知道取

of the two two groups and and see who's

两组的平均值，看看谁

higher and who's lower

高谁低

okay yeah that'll be interesting i saw

好吧 是的，那会很有趣，我

on your uh one of your blog posts that

在你的一篇博文中看到

you donate blood so why do you do that

你献血，所以你为什么

well i i did that before i was getting

做得那么好，我在

sick and then when i got sick i was

生病之前就这样做了，然后当我生病时，我被

prevented from doing that and so once i

禁止这样做，所以有一次 我

got the green light to do it i started

得到了批准 我

doing it again

再次开始这样做

but um so my mission my personal mission

但嗯 所以我的使命

as i mentioned before was to prove that

我之前提到的个人使命是证明

vitamin is not a vitamin one of

维生素不是

my goals and proving that is you know

我的目标之一并证明你知道

here is a human that has been living

这里有一个人

without vitamin a in their diet for

他们的饮食中没有维生素 a

seven years

七年，

i'm going to go to at least 10. and

我至少要到 10 岁。

so i am getting probably a tiny little

所以我可能会

trace amount of vitamin a from the beef

从我不时吃的牛肉中获取微量的维生素 a，

i eat every now and then

uh and maybe some other sources so i'm

嗯，也许还有其他一些来源，所以

i'm

我正在

using the blood donations and the plasma

使用 献血和血浆

donations to offset that

捐赠抵消了这一点，

so okay i'm getting rid of blood and

所以好吧，我正在摆脱血液，

with that blood donations

通过献血，

you know i'm getting rid of some of my

你知道我正在摆脱我的一些

serum level of vitamin a

血清维生素 a 水平，

so that's kind of the reason and it's

这就是原因，这

just proving so

只是证明

hard and long for people to detoxify so

人们排毒是如此困难和渴望，所以

i think it's

我认为这是

beneficial and once again each person

有益的，而且每个人都

needs to kind of decide what's best for

需要再次决定什么对自己最好，

themselves

you know as we wrap up would you say

当我们结束时，你会说

that if you are feeling any of the

，如果你

symptoms that are on acne.org

感觉到痤疮的任何症状。 org

some of the ones that you mentioned

一些你

earlier that maybe they should start

之前提到的，也许他们应该

kind of lowering their

开始降低他们的

vitamin a consumption that maybe they

维生素消耗，也许他们

should just stop

应该停止

organ meats oh yeah and it's not just

器官肉哦，是的，这不仅仅是

acne.org you can go to any just

acne.org，你可以去任何只是

for vitamin a toxicity you'll get a list

为了维生素毒性你' 会得到

of the you know the symptoms

一份你认识的人的名单 症状

the reason i mentioned acne.org and

是我提到acne.org的原因，

they're they're graphic they had a

他们是图形他们有一个

really nice graphic of the human body

非常漂亮的人体图形

with you know kind of

，你知道

pointer to each you know tissue and i'll

指向每个你知道的组织的指针

and i'll link to your blog post i mean

，我会链接到你的博客文章 我的意思是

it's very thorough

说它非常彻底

so yeah i'll link that um i think yeah

所以是的我会链接那个嗯我想是

to repeat i think you know everyone

的重复我想你知道每个人都

should

应该

really seriously consider you know not

认真考虑你知道

eating uh

不吃呃

organs especially liver and kidneys and

器官尤其是肝脏和肾脏并

reducing their vitamin a if you're if

减少它们的维生素 a 如果你是如果

you're healthy and young and you know

你是 健康年轻，你知道

you don't have to worry you know it's

你不必担心你知道这

not i'm not kind of pulling the alarm

不是我不会拉

bell saying oh this is a

警报说哦这是一种

poison that's going to kill us all you

毒药会杀死我们所有人你

know your body's well equipped to deal

知道你的身体有能力

with it in certain amounts but if you

应对它 一定数量，但如果

are starting to get sick then i think it

你开始生病，那么

would be prudent to cut back on it

我认为明智的做法是减少

okay and you have to understand um this

它，你必须明白嗯，这

is kind of

for me you know kind of the clincher you

对我来说有点像你知道那种紧要关头你

know

知道

the medical textbook definition of

vitamin a activity

维生素a的医学教科书定义 活动

is stem cell differentiation and so

是干细胞分化，所以

you know the claim in the medical

你 了解医学文献中的说法，

literature without vitamin a your stem

没有维生素 a 你的干

cells are not going to differentiate

细胞不会分化

your skin is going to peel off and

你的皮肤会脱落，

you're going to go blind and you're

你会失明，你

going to die well that hasn't happened

会死得很好，这并没有发生，

but kind of buried in that definition

但有点被掩埋 在那个定义

is how does vitamin a cause stem cell

中，维生素a是如何通过诱导基因表达导致干细胞

differentiation is by inducing

分化的，

gene expressions so these gene

所以这些基因

expressions are measured by the proteins

表达是通过细胞产生的蛋白质来衡量

that a cell is generating

and there's now 500 different proteins

的，现在有500种不同的

that are attributed to vitamin a

蛋白质可归因于维生素a的

activity and so you know one of the

活性，所以你知道其中之一 我

things i was

trying to write about my first ebook was

想写的关于我的第一本电子书的内容是

this whole definition of autoimmunity

，自身免疫的整个定义

is a perfect match for vitamin toxicity

与维生素毒性完美匹配

and um

，嗯，

so you know someone's experiencing

所以你知道有人正在经历

autoimmune diseases

自身免疫性疾病，

you know fatty liver diabetes is hugely

你知道脂肪肝糖尿病在这里有很大的

implicated here

牵连，

you know there's a big tie-in with

你知道有很大的联系 对于

insulin resistance and vitamin a

胰岛素抵抗和维生素 A

toxicity

毒性，

people can look up what's called stra6

人们可以查找称为 stra6

receptor that's induced by vitamin a and

受体的物质，该受体由维生素 A 诱导，

that induces uh

并诱导呃

insulin resistance so there's a lot of

胰岛素抵抗

diseases that i think are attributable

所以我认为有很多疾病可归因

to

于

vitamin a toxicity that's great i'd love

维生素 一种毒性很大 我很想

to get

more involvement in you know more people

更多地参与你知道更多人

looking at this maybe one thing i will

在看这个也许我要提到的一件事

mention

is you know when i started this i'm just

是你知道我什么时候开始这个我只是

an engineer geologist coming into this

一位进入这个领域的工程师地质学家

field and you might think well what the

，你可能会想，

heck is an engineer doing looking at

一个工程师到底在做什么，看着

this

这口

well people should understand is an

井，人们应该明白

engineering degree is a problem-solving

工程学位是一个解决问题的

degree and for me this is just another

学位，对我来说这只是另一个

problem

问题，

but since uh you know putting out my

但因为呃你知道 在我的

ebooks and kind of the development of

电子书和

the community i've been contacted by

社区发展方面，我已经与该领域的

three different academic researchers in

三位不同学术研究人员联系过，

this field one

其中

is been looking at vitamin toxicity for

一位研究维生素毒性

about 30 years and some other

大约 30 年，另外

uh two researchers at universities

两位大学研究

they've contacted me and very supportive

人员与我联系，非常 支持

and saying you know

并说你知道

they're in general agreement with this

他们普遍同意这个

theory

理论，

so it's not just me and i don't want

所以不仅仅是我，我不希望

anyone to think you know i'm just the

任何人认为你知道我只是

sole piece of evidence there are now

唯一的证据 现在

you know hundreds of people that are

你知道数百人正在

slowly recovering their health

慢慢恢复他们的健康

academic researchers are backing this up

学术研究人员正在支持这一点

i've had some medical doctors contact me

我已经有一些医生联系我

saying they're supportive of this so

说他们支持这一点

it's not just me

所以不仅仅是我

i i think that until people open the

我认为直到人们打开

lead do their own research and make

铅做他们的 自己的研究并做出

their own decisions they can't just say

自己的决定 他们不能只是说

something is false right i mean

某些事情是错误的，对吧，我的意思是，

like you were mentioning that there was

就像你提到的那样，有

one study that then solidified that

一项研究证实了

vitamin a is this

维生素 a 就是这种

vitamin and it's you know essential in

维生素，你知道它在所有这些事情中都是必不可少的，

all these things but

the same kind of theory happened with

但都是同一种 理论上，

iodine in the other way right so they

碘以另一种方式发生了，所以他们

there was this one it starts with the w

有这个，它以 wi 开头，

i can't even remember the name but

甚至不记得名字，但那项

that study showed that uh iodine is

研究表明，呃碘

toxic for the body and it can cause

对身体有毒，它会导致

hyperthyroid and damage but

甲状腺功能亢进和损伤，但

okay actually not good information

实际上还好 也不是很好的

either so

信息所以

oh really okay you just it's really

哦，真的很好，你只是真的很

interesting that if we just were to go

有趣，如果我们只是

to the source and then really start

去源头然后真正开始

looking into studies instead of just

研究而不是

listening to people and saying oh

只听人 说哦，

maybe we have to eat oregon meat right

也许我们必须正确地吃俄勒冈州的肉，

or we have to do this and that like

或者我们必须这样做，

maybe

maybe we should do a little bit more

也许我们应该做更多的

research and just come to our own

研究，然后得出我们自己的

conclusions because

结论，因为

when someone's sick any option is

当有人生病时，任何选择

something that they're willing to try

都是他们的选择 愿意尝试

and that is something i've seen with my

，这是我在我的客户身上看到的，

clients

okay yeah and you know one other comment

好吧，你知道另一个评论

is

是

that original wolverine health study

，最初的金刚狼健康研究

that was done in 1926 we had a plan this

是在 1926 年完成的，我们今年计划

year to redo that study

scientifically at an american university

在美国大学科学地重做这项研究，

then with the outbreak of covid that's

然后与 covid 的爆发，即

that replication of that study was put

该研究的复制被

on hold

搁置，

but we hope to get back to it um you

但我们希望重新开始，嗯，

know it's going to depend on what

你知道这将取决于

happens with this pandemic but

这次大流行的情况，但

we are going to redo that study you know

我们将重做这项研究，你

so scientifically it will be done at a

知道这将是科学的 在一

university

所大学完成

and you know we'll publish the results

，你知道我们显然会公布结果，

obviously so you know this has been

所以你知道这

really helpful i think that if people

真的很有帮助我认为如果人们

are still

struggling with issues on a carnivore

仍在为食肉动物的饮食问题而苦苦挣扎，

diet maybe

也许

you know there's all these rabbit holes

你知道所有的

that people investigate they say it's

人们调查的这些兔子洞他们说这是

histamines autoimmune

组胺自身免疫，

you're not eating enough organ meats and

你没有吃足够的内脏，

you're not nutritionally

你没有营养，

um nourished or you're not eating enough

或者你没有吃足够的

protein or fats and

蛋白质或脂肪，

you know i'm even in that bandwagon of

你知道我什至在

all of those things and so

所有的潮流中 那些东西和

vitamin a can be an option right so we

维生素 a 可以是一个正确的选择，这样

can get our sources

我们就可以获得

of nutrition and other foods that don't

营养来源和其他

have a ton of vitamin a so

没有大量维生素 a 的食物，所以

and everything in nutrition the more and

营养中的所有东西

more i'm into it and

我都越来越关注它并

look into things it's i think balance is

研究这些东西 我认为平衡

really key

真的很关键

and i think that when we try to you know

，我认为当我们试图让你

mega dose on a certain thing

知道某件事的大剂量时，

it's not always a good thing not a good

这并不总是一件好事不是

thing yeah totally agree

一件好事是的完全同意

one thing i wanted to ask you before we

我在我们走之前想问你的一件事

go is um you mentioned vitamin

是你提到的 维生素

deficiency and how there would be all

缺乏症以及如何出现所有

these symptoms

这些症状

what is kind of the threshold of

你缺乏维生素 A 的阈值是多少？

you being vitamin a deficient well this

is the irony

讽刺的

is the symptoms of vitamin a deficiency

是，维生素 A 缺乏症的症状与维生素 A 毒性的

are very very close to those for vitamin

症状非常接近

a toxicity

and this is where the confusion

，这就是 混乱

originates from and this is why it's so

源于，这就是为什么

tricky

that 1926 will block and hall study

1926 年将阻止和霍尔研究

what they actually observed was vitamin

他们实际观察到的维生素

a toxicity so they ended up poisoning

a 毒性如此之大的原因，所以他们最终毒害了

their animals

他们的动物

and if we kind of fast forward to the

，如果我们快进到

1970s so part of the diet that they used

1970 年代，那么他们使用的饮食的一部分

in that study that original study was

在那项研究中，最初的研究是

they use heated casein so they heated

他们使用加热的酪蛋白，所以他们

the casing in an

在

alcohol casein is a carrier protein for

酒精中加热肠衣 酪蛋白是维生素 a 的载体蛋白

vitamin a adding the alcohol and heat

添加酒精，加热

will oxidize it into retinoic acid the

会将其氧化成视黄酸

most toxic form of vitamin a

，维生素 a 的毒性最强的形式，

so they fed this diet what they thought

所以他们喂食这种饮食 他们

was a vitamin a deficient diet to these

认为这些动物缺乏维生素

animals and they all died in 10 to 12

，它们都在 10 到 12 周内死亡

weeks

and they said oh my god we've discovered

，他们说，天哪，我们已经发现

vitamin a deficiency well no they didn't

维生素 A 缺乏症了，不，他们没有

they discovered vitamin a toxicity

发现维生素 A 的毒性，

because

因为

this was a toxic diet they fed to these

这是一种有毒物质 他们喂给这些

animals and this is hugely supported by

动物的饮食，这得到了关键科林坎贝尔的研究的极大支持，

the research done from key colin

campbell you know this

你知道这位

major advocate one of the kind of the

主要倡导者是素食运动的

godfathers of the

教父之一，

vegan movement because in the 1970s he

因为在 1970 年代，

was looking at the toxicity of casein

他研究酪蛋白的毒性

and he came to the conclusion that

，他得出结论，

casein was the most carcinogenic

酪蛋白是人类有史以来最致癌的

substance ever known to man so by

物质，因此通过

feeding casein to animals

给动物喂食酪蛋白，

they were killing their animals and

他们杀死了动物，

giving them cancer in the 1970s

并在 1970 年代使它们患上了癌症

that same heated casein was used in that

，同样加热的酪蛋白 在那项

original study so i think that's the

原始研究中使用，所以我认为这是

fundamental flaw with that study

该研究的根本缺陷，

so the symptoms of vitamin a deficiency

所以维生素 a 缺乏症的症状

are

the what you'll look and see in the

就是你在文献中看到的，

literature

is they're almost a perfect match for

它们几乎与维生素 a 毒性完美匹配，

vitamin a toxicity

so skin peeling this is vitamin a

所以皮肤剥落 维生素a

deficiency

缺乏

skin feeling blindness uh

皮肤感觉失明 嗯，

you know most commonly you know vision

你知道最常见的 你知道视力

problems neurological problems

问题 神经系统问题

so yeah it's it's a match and the reason

所以是的，这是一场比赛，这场比赛的原因

this match was because

是因为

that was the very definition of sure i'm

那是确定的定义

so new to this research too that i

我也是这项研究的新手，我

don't have um a ton to kind of counter

不知道 没有很多东西可以反驳，

but it's uh

但呃，

i think it's i think just from the

我认为这是我认为只是从

nutritional perspective

营养角度

of if you were to analyze each food and

来看，如果你要分析每种食物

their nutrition

及其营养，

i mean there is a lot of vitamin a in

我的意思是我 某些动物产品中含有大量维生素 a

certain animal products and so maybe

，所以也许

you know it's always something to

你知道它总是需要

consider i mean if the daily values are

考虑的我的意思是如果每天的数值

supposed to be at a hundred percent or

应该是 100% 或者

at least we try to reach it

至少我们试图达到它

then maybe we should consider in excess

那么也许我们应该考虑过量

it might be too much

它可能 太多了

and i think it's something to consider

，我认为这是需要考虑的，

when you know we don't

当你知道我们

care if we're not hitting daily values

不在乎我们是否没有达到其他营养素的每日价值时

for

，

other nutrients like magnesium is

比如镁是

something and potassium i think are

某种东西，

minerals that we have a hard time

钾是我们很难

achieving or hitting the 100 daily value

达到或达到 100

even vitamin c on a carnivore diet

食肉动物饮食中甚至维生素 C 的每日价值

and we say it doesn't matter but then

，我们说这无关紧要，但是

what about the excess so what if we have

如果我们摄入过多怎么

too much i mean i we don't really talk

办，我的意思是我们不会

about that in the community and i think

在社区中真正谈论这个问题，我认为

it's really bizarre actually

这真的很奇怪 实际上，

but you know i wouldn't be so concerned

但你知道我不会那么担心

you know things like vitamin c

你知道像维生素 C

it's water soluble so your body is going

这样的东西它是水溶性的，所以你的身体会

to get rid of it very fast

很快摆脱它

right the problem with you know a d e

，你知道阿德

and k

和k

they're fat soluble molecules and

它们是脂溶性分子，

they're going to accumulate

它们的问题 再去交流 累积，

so that's that's the big distinction do

所以这就是最大的区别，

you think um

你认为嗯

and you know you may not have done

，你知道你可能没有做过这方面的

research on this but do you think the

研究，但你认为

other fat soluble vitamins also

其他脂溶性维生素也

accumulate well they do now

积累得很好，他们现在做的

vitamin d is a bit tricky and i'm not

维生素 D 有点棘手，我不是

really that concerned with vitamin d

真的 关注维生素 d，

because your body produces it naturally

因为你的身体自然产生它，

so

所以

at least it's the natural vitamin that

至少它是

the body produces vitamin e

身体产生维生素 e 的天然维生素，

in some of the literature is stated to

在一些文献中说会

increase the amount of vitamin a that

增加维生素 a 的量，

goes back into circulation so you might

重新进入循环，所以你可能

want to be careful with that

要小心

vitamin k was looked at in the

维生素 K 在

literature as an antidote to vitamin a

文献中被视为维生素的解毒剂

kind of proved not to be so i'm not so

，但事实证明并非如此，所以我对此不太

sure about that

确定，

so i really haven't looked at the other

所以我真的没有

fat soluble vitamins from a toxicity

从毒性的角度研究其他脂溶性维生素。

point of view

i'm just really focused on vitamin a do

我只是真的专注于维生素 a

you supplement vitamin d

你补充维生素 d

no i don't no okay would you ever no

不，我不，不，你永远不，

okay no i don't and you know i agree but

不，我不，你知道我同意，但

i wouldn't because it's actually you

我不会，因为它实际上是你

know the form that

知道的

in the supplements typically is you know

形式 补充剂通常 你知道

a toxic form of vitamin d

维生素 d 的有毒形式吗，

which has to be metabolized but also i

它必须被代谢，而且

had my vitamin d checked in the last two

我在过去两年里检查了我的维生素 d

years and i'm i'm right up there so

，我就在那里，所以

no no concern about vitamin d do you go

不用担心维生素 d 你出去吗？

out in the sun at all

or i i don't go out a lot but i

根本不晒太阳，或者我不经常出去，但

i do um you know when i when i can i

我知道我什么时候能

guess

猜到，

originally when i was very sick with

最初我

eczema i couldn't go out in the sun for

得了湿疹，我不能出去晒太阳

more than 10 seconds and so

超过 10 秒，所以

oh wow yeah now i can go out in the sun

哦 哇，是的，现在我可以出去晒太阳了，

for you know a long time and actually

因为你知道很长时间，实际上

can once again so

可以再次出去，

it's good okay so where can people find

所以很好，所以人们可以在哪里找到

your group uh

你的团队，

more of your research uh where you know

呃更多你的研究，你

if people wanted to get in touch with

知道人们是否想与你取得联系

you

so i've got a blog it's g generous so

所以我有一个博客，它很慷慨，所以它是 ggenereux

it's g-g-e-n-e-r-e-u-x

dot blog and uh there's a discussion

dot 博客，呃，那里有一个讨论

forum there

论坛，

i've posted three free e-books that

我发布了三本免费电子书，

people can read kind of

人们

you can with kind of different themes to

可以像你一样阅读这些电子书的不同主题

those ebooks

and people can contact me through that

，人们可以 通过那个博客与我联系，

blog but i just want people to know that

但我只是想让人们知道

i am not actively you know coaching or

我并不积极，你知道教练 r

giving people advice you know i don't

给人们建议，你知道我

have the time or cycles for that that's

没有时间或周期，

that's not me

那不是我，

um so you know anyway that's where

嗯，所以你知道无论如何人们可以在那里

people can dig into more

深入研究

and on my forum there's a section called

，在我的论坛上有一个部分叫做

the science of it

它的科学

and so a lot of the studies that i

，所以很多 我提到的研究

mentioned are all referenced there

都在那里引用

in many many many more studies that are

了许多更多的研究，

there

you know people can dig into and read

你知道人们可以深入研究并阅读

okay this has been

这些研究，这

very very fascinating um thank you so

非常非常吸引人，

much for your time and um

非常感谢你的时间，嗯，

you know i hope that people you know

你知道我希望你 知道

really look into this and see you know

真的看看这个，看看你

where their kind of journey is with

知道他们的治疗旅程在哪里

healing and maybe this is an

，也许这是

avenue that they can actually use so

他们可以实际使用的途径所以

thank you again for your time

再次感谢你的时间，

great thank you thank you so much okay

非常感谢你非常感谢你好吧

see you judy bye

再见，朱迪再见

okay guys i hope you found this

好吧伙计们我 希望你觉得这次

interview helpful

采访对你有帮助

i know it's a lot of information to

我知道这是很多信息需要

process um

处理，

even for me i knew that some of the

即使对我来说我知道一些

livers had a lot of

肝脏含有大量的

vitamin a and even copper but i mean

维生素 a 甚至铜，但我的意思是

this just puts it to a whole different

这只是把它放在一个完全不同的

level so

水平，所以

if you feel any of the symptoms after

如果你 感觉任何 在

you do some research about vitamin a

您对维生素 a 进行一些研究后的症状中，

you may want to just experiment and try

您可能只想尝试并尝试

reducing some of the foods that are

减少一些

higher in vitamin a

维生素 a 含量较高的食物

and see how you feel and if you notice

，看看您的感觉，如果您

in a few months that you actually feel

在几个月后发现您实际上感觉

better

好多了，

maybe it's something that you can

也许是 你可以

actually pursue and

真正追求的东西，并且

definitely check out the research as

肯定会在

grant talks about i think he's a lot

格兰特谈到的时候查看研究，我认为他

more humble you know he's done his work

要谦虚得多，你知道他已经完成了他的工作

and he's done a lot of research and

，他做了很多研究，

he's looked into a lot of the literature

他查阅了很多文献，

so if you

所以如果你

feel that you have some of these

觉得 你有一些这样的

toxicities and now if you don't maybe

毒性，现在如果你不这样做，也许

you just

你只是

limit a little bit of the organ

限制了一点器官的

consumption i just think it makes a lot

消耗，我只是认为

of sense that

we eat the amount that maybe we would

我们吃的量可能

have

是

years ago and i don't think we were

几年前的，而我没有 认为我们

always eating ounces and ounces every

每天都在吃盎司和盎司，

single day

all right guys i hope that this was

好吧，伙计们，我希望这是

helpful um please make sure to subscribe

有帮助的，嗯，请务必订阅，

please make sure to share with those

请务必与

that may actually need this you know the

那些可能真正需要这个的人分享，您知道

drill make sure to eat a lot of meat

练习一定要吃 很多肉

take care of your bodies because it is

照顾你的身体，因为这

the only place you have to live

是你唯一必须住的地方

i will talk to you guys next week bye

我下周和你们谈谈再见

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