hello everyone I'm Danny Roddy of Danny
大家好，我是 Danny
Rudy calm and today I'm talking with
Rudy 的 Danny Roddy 冷静，今天我正在与
Karen MCC of vision and acceptance calm
愿景和接受的凯伦 MCC 交谈冷静
and author of eat something sweet you'll
和吃甜食的作者今天你会
feel better
感觉更好
today Karen and I will discuss our
凯伦和我将讨论我们
introduction to rate beats worth our
对值得我们体验的速率节拍的介绍
experience with the community and why at
与社区以及为什么
the end of the day rate Pete doesn't
在一天结束时皮特不
want you to follow him he wants you to
希望您跟随他 他希望您
stand toe to toe with them and live
与他们站在一起并过上
enough CENTAC life in addition to
足够的 CENTAC 生活，除了
thinking Karen for talking with me today
考虑凯伦今天与我交谈之外，
I'd like to thank my patrons for making
我还想要 感谢我的赞助人让
this show and all the content I produce
这个节目和我制作的所有内容
possible if you would like to become a
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audio without further ado here's the
这里是
show
节目
what attracted you to Rey and did you
是什么吸引你到 Rey，
were you like aware of other
你是否知道 关于饮食的其他
philosophies around diet like I guess I
哲学，比如我想我
started writing
是
arrey in 2000 late 2010 and it seemed
在 2000 年 2010 年末开始写 arrey 的，
like I was posting his quotes on
似乎我在 2011 年就在 Facebook 上发布了他的名言
Facebook in like 2011 and then that
，然后
steadily just got more and more and more
稳步变得越来越
popular I was writing articles and this
流行，我正在写文章和 d
was to me it's just like it was paleo
这对我来说就像是古
paleo is everything ketogenic diets low
古就是生酮饮食低
carb and I dissociated myself from that
碳水化合物的一切，我从那个
scene and then ray got big on Facebook
场景中分离出来，然后雷在 Facebook 上大放异彩
and like a private group took place and
，就像一个私人团体发生了一样，
I started just talking to a lot of
我开始和很多人交谈，
people but when you were one of the
但是 当你是
people I would intermittently talk to
我会断断续续地与之交谈的人之一时
and I always thought you had great
，我一直认为你对这件事有很好的
insights on the thing so I remembered
见解，所以我记得
our interactions and I mean it's been a
我们的互动，我的意思是已经
few years and I know time flies and you
几年了，我知道时间过得
were one of the people that it was
很快，而你是其中的一员
sometimes painful to hear what you would
有时听到你
say because it would cause me to
说的话很痛苦，因为这会让我
reorient myself dr. Peters in a way to
重新调整自己的方向。 彼得斯在某种程度上
like you almost need a warning label
喜欢你几乎需要一个警告标签
because he can open your eyes to things
因为他可以让你睁开眼睛看到事物
and then you just see them everywhere
然后你到处都能看到
he's done that with me I think that the
他对我这样做我认为
effect of a new perspective like it
新视角的效果就像
lights a candle and I think too with the
点燃蜡烛一样我也认为
I mean we're sort of go jumping ahead a
我的意思是我们有点向前冲，
little bit but like when I think about
但就像当我
the group's I think when if you're in
想到小组的时候，我认为如果
your right mind
你头脑清醒，
you don't want consensus consensus is
你不希望达成共识共识被
overrated you want variety but if you're
高估了，你想要多样性，但如果你”
scared and you need security then you
害怕，你需要安全感，然后你
want you think that everybody agreeing
希望你认为每个人都
on the same thing buys you that security
同意同一件事会给你带来安全感，
like for some reason there's that
就像出于某种原因有这种
connection and I think that new
联系，我认为新的
perspectives are very very important
观点非常重要，
because they open your eyes to things
因为他们让你睁开眼睛看事情
and they can help other people open
，他们可以提供帮助 其他人
their eyes and sometimes you might have
睁开眼睛，有时你可能有
a question about
一个关于营养的问题，
nutrition but it gets answered by
但它得到
another area of life that you explore I
了你探索的另一个生活领域的回答
I came from my experience on like paleo
II 来自我的经验，比如古
and low-carb and having such a like a
和低碳水化合物，并且有这样一个
bad experience I felt really like self
糟糕的前任 经验 我真的觉得自己很
righteous with raised ideas and I think
自以为是，提出了一些想法，我
that led in the beginning at least like
认为这在开始时至少就像
a rocky period where I definitely didn't
一个艰难的时期，我绝对不
understand what Ray was about and I
明白雷是关于什么的，我
still don't understand but I'm trying
仍然不明白，但我正在尝试
and but but like our constant
，但是 喜欢我们不断的
interaction and just reading more and
互动，只是阅读更多，
like like I said the the philosophical
喜欢我说的哲学的
things and maybe my change of heart and
东西，也许我的心和
personality over time too I like when
个性随着时间的推移
you were posting vision and acceptance
articles they mean way more to me now
than they did at the time so I think you
也发生了变化 时间，所以我认为你
were emotionally just ahead of me at
在每一步都在情感上领先于我
every step and like what when did you
，比如你什么时候
create vision acceptance and what was
创造了视觉接受度
the motivation well I'll give you a
以及动机是什么我会给你
little bit of my background um I was a
一些我的背景，嗯，我是一名
personal trainer so I I was interested
私人教练，所以我很感兴趣
in nutrition and health and I could see
在营养和健康方面，我可以
like in the gyms that people would just
在健身房看到人们会
train the same way and I wanted to go
以同样的方式训练，我
about it more scientifically so I
想更科学地进行训练，所以我
started studying um Ian King and he's a
开始学习嗯 Ian King，他
very like scientific method for
非常喜欢科学方法 非常适合
approaching training and there's many
接近训练，有
many different methods but I I got
很多不同的方法，但
locked into him and I could just see
我被他锁定了，我可以
that it caused me a lot of problems in
看到这给我在健身房带来了很多问题，
the gym because other people weren't
因为其他人没有
doing it and looked a little bit weird
这样做，看起来有点奇怪，
so um that sort of got me in the habit
所以嗯那种 让我养成
of thinking outside the box a little bit
了跳出框框思考的习惯，
and and being willing to pay the price
并愿意为此付出代价
for it because you always have to pay
，因为
the price if you want to break away from
如果你想摆脱
the security of Conformity what ended up
合规的安全，你总是必须付出代价，
happening though is I was um diagnosed
但最终发生的事情是我 被诊断出
with panic disorder because I would get
患有恐慌症，因为我会被
pent what I thought were panic attacks
压抑我认为是恐慌发作
but now I realize that it was like
但现在我意识到这就像
extreme releases of adrenaline because
肾上腺素的极端释放因为
my blood sugar was all over the place so
我的血糖到处都是所以
at the time they don't discuss your
当时他们不讨论你的
mindset they don't discuss what you're
心态他们 不要讨论你在
eating they don't discuss if you're
吃什么 他们不讨论你是否在
eating they don't discuss your activity
吃 他们不讨论你的活动
level they just say here take these
水平 他们只是说在这里吃这些
pills you know they're drug pusher so I
药 你知道他们是毒贩 所以我
was they gave me these benzodiazepines
是他们给了我这些苯二氮卓类药物
and um benzodiazepines they're very like
嗯，苯二氮卓类药物，它们非常
you require almost like a degree and
像你需要学位和
biology to understand their effect on
生物学才能了解它们对你身体的影响，
your body so people get stuck on them
所以人们会被它们困住
and and if you look at all the people
，如果你看看所有死去的人
that died or you know like all the movie
，或者你知道像迈克尔杰克逊这样的所有
stars like Michael Jackson and all these
电影明星 所有这些
people they always had benzos in their
人，他们的系统中总是有苯并苯，
system because it is it it is very
因为它
effective to make you feel calm but at
让你感到平静是非常有效的，
the same time you you your body just
但与此同时，你的身体
gets adapted to it very quickly and then
很快就会适应它，然后
you can go into something called
你就可以进入一种叫做
tolerance withdrawal or if you don't
耐受性戒断的状态 或者，如果你
take it every six hours you go into half
不是每六个小时服用一次，你就会进入
life withdrawal so um that just wrecks
半条命戒断状态，所以那只
so much havoc on your nervous system so
会对你的神经系统造成如此大的破坏，所以
you start suspecting like deep down like
你开始怀疑
oh my god like how the hell do I get off
像我的天啊，我到底是怎么摆脱
this crack it's not even helping me like
这个裂缝的 它甚至没有帮助我，就像
I'm still getting breakthrough anxiety
我仍然在获得突破性焦虑
little do you know that's the withdrawal
一样，你知道
that tolerance withdrawal and um half
那是宽容戒断和嗯
life withdrawal so you know it's very
半条命戒断的戒断所以你知道这是非常
technical as I throw these words around
技术性的，因为我把这些话到处乱说，
but what ends up happening is it's very
但是 w 最终发生的事情是
very difficult to get off of it so
很难摆脱它，所以
you're just taking it because you can't
你只是因为无法摆脱它而接受它
get off of it so I didn't know what to
，所以我不知道该怎么
do and one day I just after being on it
做，有一天我就在它之后
for like years and years and I wasn't
年复一年，我什至没有
even helping I just felt so bad I was
帮助我只是感觉很糟糕我
just in withdrawal every day without
只是在不知情的情况下每天都在戒断
knowing it and still trying to go to
并且仍然试图去
work and function getting panic attacks
上班和运作
anyway and so I just said well Minh it
无论如何都会惊恐发作所以我只是说好Minh，
I'm just gonna get off I was on such a
我只是 我要下车了，
little amount because I was seeing a
因为我在看
chiropractor and he was anti drugs and I
脊椎按摩师，他是抗药的，我
was just trying to cut back as much as I
只是想尽可能地减少，
could but it was sort of hurting me
但这有点
cutting back like that because I didn't
伤害我，因为我没有这样做，所以我没有这样做
know how to do it so what ended up
知道该怎么做 所以最终
happening is um finally thank God I
发生的事情是 嗯 终于感谢上帝 我
found somebody that understood
找到了一个了解
um titrations and I had to do like this
嗯滴定的人 我不得不像这种
crazy titration that took months just
疯狂的滴定那样花了几个月的时间
take it off like one thing it was crazy
把它拿下来就像一件很疯狂的事情
but
it's the only way it's the only way or
但这是唯一的方法 唯一的办法，
else you just feel so sick and it's
否则你就是觉得恶心，太
crazy so I my nervous system was like
疯狂了，所以我很紧张 系统就像
obliterated and to make matters worse as
被抹去一样，更糟的是，
I would go to medical doctors and they
我去看医生，他们
wouldn't know what to do and then I'd go
不知道该怎么做，然后我
to holistic doctors and they wouldn't
去看整体医生，他们不
know what to do because medical doctors
知道该怎么做，因为医生
don't want to admit the drug is doing
不想要 承认药物正在
what it's doing because they're
做它正在做的事情，因为
prescribing it to everyone and holistic
他们给每个人开处方，而整体
doctors don't take pharmacology so they
医生不服用药理学，所以他们
can't help you either so I would I would
也无法帮助你，所以我会
always start my story the same I'd
一直开始我的故事，我会
always be like house on these drugs and
一直像 开始服用这些药物，
then I got off of them and then I you
然后我戒掉了它们，然后我
know I feel really sick and then they'd
知道我感觉很不舒服，然后他们
be like okay get your fillings out you
会没事的 把你的补品填好
know like you have the information as
the patient if they could just listen to
you but they are hammers and you're a
他们是锤子，你是
nail so it would be like okay do a fast
钉子，所以
depent you know if it was a chiropractor
如果你知道是脊椎按摩师
or come in for adjustment so who is just
还是进来调整
really I was just so stuck and you know
一下，那么你知道我真的被卡住了，你知道
I did Weston Price and I got a lot out
我做了韦斯顿普莱斯和我
of that I went to Weston Price
我参加了韦斯顿价格
conference but I was just really really
会议，但我只是想
really stuck and my sleep was just I
我真的真的很困，我的睡眠只是我的
mean I could I should have been studied
意思是我应该由科学家研究
by a scientist for for how little sleep
I was getting in all these years and and
我这些年来我的睡眠是多么少而且
I wasn't working or anything it was just
我没有工作或任何事情
like I was being sick full-time so I
就像我生病一样 全职所以我
knew this guy from the Weston Price
认识这个来自 Weston Price
group and he started telling me about
集团的人 他开始告诉我关于
Ray P and he had sleep problems too and
Ray P 他也有睡眠问题
um I was low carb because everybody was
嗯我是低碳水化合物 因为每个人都
against sugar the holistic people and
反对糖
medical doctor people everybody so
basically um he started telling me about
开始告诉我关于
Ray Pete and then I think I was looking
Ray Pete 然后我想我在
at his pictures and he had a picture of
看他的照片 他有一张
like shrimp and orange juice and I just
像虾和橙汁的照片 我只
remember that orange juice looks so damn
记得橙汁看起来
good so I didn't have to like read
太好了 所以我不必喜欢阅读
articles or anything I just got the
文章或任何东西 我刚刚获得了
basics just and the next morning I'm
基础知识，第二天早上我
like okay here goes nothing and I drank
感觉还好，这里什么都没有，我
the orange juice with my my breakfast
在早餐时喝了橙汁，但
and I didn't have like that post
我没有像
breakfast crash you know and I'm like oh
早餐后那样崩溃，你知道，我就像
my god
you seeing is believing so I just
天哪 眼见为实所以我ju
started I just started going on the
刚开始我刚开始加入
Facebook group whose really small at the
Facebook 小组，当时这个小组真的很小
time and it was really interesting
，这真的很有趣，
because I don't I think all these people
因为我不认为所有这些人
had studied him and they never got
都研究过他，而且他们从来没有
together too
聚在一起
discuss him and it was just very
讨论过他，这些人非常
interesting these people that had
有趣
studied it for years on their own what
他们自己研究了多年，
they took out of it versus another
他们从中取出的东西与另一个人相比，
person it's pretty fascinating so um
这非常令人着迷，所以嗯，
then from there you know the group grew
从那里开始，您知道该小组不断
and grew and grew and and I was
发展壮大，我
moderator for a little bit and and then
担任了一段时间的主持人，然后我
I I was emailing Pete a little bit
发了电子邮件 皮特有点，
because I don't like he'll email you
因为我不喜欢他给你
back and it's like you just want to see
回电子邮件，就像你只是想
if it works this is incredible and I was
看看它是否有效，这太不可思议了，我
just so like stuck on that I couldn't
就像被卡住了，我
get past that because I had been I think
无法通过，因为我一直在 我认为
my health situation was so extreme and I
我的健康状况如此极端，
was on the sidelines of life for so long
我在生活的边缘待了很长时间，
like observing and concluding and and it
喜欢观察和总结，
was really hard but in a way you just if
这真的很难，但在某种程度上，如果
something's not working you can't lie to
某些事情不起作用，您就不能对自己撒谎，
yourself and you just have to admit it
而您只是 承认它
and be like what's next like that's true
和 就像接下来是真正的
empiricism like you can't you have to
经验主义一样，你不能
just listen to your body so I just felt
只听你的身体，所以我
like this man was very very different he
觉得这个人非常非常不同，他
had true compassion like he really did
有真正的同情心，就像他真的一样
and so that's when I started emailing
，所以那是我开始给他发电子邮件的
him and I'm like asking him about
时候，我 就像问他
answering our emails and I just was
回复我们的电子邮件一样，我只是被
locked he answered like a small answer
锁定了，他
the first time and I couldn't let it go
第一次回答的时候就像一个小答案，我不能放手，
like no but really you know so then he
但你真的知道，所以他
mentioned um Carl Rogers and stuff like
提到了卡尔罗杰斯之类的东西
that so I remember being between starch
，所以我 记得在
eating and then zero-carbon
吃淀粉和零碳之间
and I didn't know there was anything
，我不知道有什么
different and I remember seeping into
不同，我记得
like a dark depression okay because I
像黑暗抑郁一样渗入，因为我
knew that both ways I had tried both and
知道两种方式我都尝试过，但
and neither was getting me to where I
都没有让我达到我
wanted to be and then reading Pete was
想要的地方 然后阅读皮特是
so fun and interesting because I was
如此有趣和有趣，因为我
like oh my god a different way and I
就像天哪，我
didn't even know that existed
什至不知道存在这种方式
yeah and here like reading his article
是的，在这里就像阅读他的文章
this was one thing because I didn't
这是一回事，因为我
understand anything he was saying except
不了解他的任何内容 说e 除了
he was mentioning a hormone I was
他提到了我
interested in but hearing him talk in
感兴趣的一种激素，但在早期听到他
the early days with Joshua Rubin was I
与约书亚鲁宾交谈时，
was like okay here's somebody who's
我感觉很好，这是一个
super knowledgeable
知识渊博的人
and like you said the answering emails
，就像你说的那样，回复电子邮件的
thing was just huge because that just
事情非常大，因为那
doesn't happen yeah he was very it's not
不会发生是的 他很高兴这
just answering the emails it's answering
不仅仅是回复电子邮件，
the emails in a way that is respectful
而是以尊重您的方式回复电子邮件，
to you and you're orienting system your
并且您正在定位您的
internal navigation system and like have
内部导航系统，就像
you tried this you know it's it's not
您尝试过这个一样，您知道这
just answering them it's answering them
不仅仅是回复他们，而是
with respect to that and he's extremely
以尊重的态度回复他们 对此，他非常
valid ating and um so I just you know
有效，嗯，所以我只是你知道
when I was when I was moderator of the
当我担任该小组的主持人时，
group I wanted to keep things
我想让事情变得
interesting and I post his article so
有趣，我发布了他的文章，以便
people would read it directly and then
人们可以直接阅读它，然后
you know maybe try to discuss it but I'm
你知道也许可以尝试讨论它 但我
like maybe he'll do an interview if I
想如果我问他也许他会接受采访
ask him and then I told him I'm like oh
然后我告诉
you know there's this many people in the
group well you you know can I ask you
these questions and he's like yeah so
他 是
that's that's when I did the first
的，那是我第一次
interview the ten so it was really just
采访十人的时候，所以这真的
meant for the group and then that was
只是为了这个团体，然后那是
before I had the blog I I completely
在我写博客之前我完全
forgot about those but those are two of
忘记了那些，但这是
some of the just best reads my dad said
我读过的最好的两篇 爸爸说
he didn't really understand why I liked
他真的不明白我为什么
him so much and I don't know how but he
这么喜欢他，我不知道是怎么回事，但他
read the first one the part where he he
读了第一篇，他
thought he said he liked Ivan Illich is
认为他说他喜欢伊凡·伊里奇的部分是
disestablishment of medicine and that's
医学的解体，这
what he wanted his work to be a part of
就是他想要他的工作 成为
like my dad was like okay I get it now
像我爸爸一样的一部分，我现在真的明白了，
really yeah he's very he's very very
是的，他非常非常
different and then what happened when I
不同，然后当我
saw his answers for that I I would just
看到他的回答时发生了什么我只想
like email him my thoughts and I just
给他发电子邮件我的想法，我只是
thought like I really think that he has
想我真的想 他
kept me out of a mental institution
让我远离精神病院
because I would have these observations
因为我会对生活有这些观察
about life and I like to observe things
我喜欢直接观察事物
firsthand I don't like to read a lot of
我不喜欢阅读很多
other people's work because I feel if
其他人的作品 因为我觉得如果
you go in your backyard and you open
你走进你的后院 然后你打开
your eyes you can you'll come at it at a
你的眼睛 你可以 你会 以
different way you'll come up you'll hit
不同的方式出现 你会出现 你
upon it in different wording but you can
会用不同的措辞 但你可以
hit upon like main the main themes in
像生活中的主要主题
life and so he has this way of
validating you and and being like like
giving you a link to something or
链接到某事或
showing you a part of his newsletter and
向您展示他的时事通讯的一部分，
it just really really validates you and
它真的真的证明了你，
that's
这很
healing did you did you think that was a
治愈你是否认为
problem with the groups when somebody
当有人会解释他们的经历时，这对团体来说是一个问题，
would explain their experience other
其他
people would think that hey I'm probably
人会认为嘿，我可能
gonna have the same experience too and
会 也有同样的经历
then it kind of mislead people yeah I
然后它有点误导人们是的我的
mean I think that first of all let me
意思是我认为首先让我
say that there's a lot of similarity to
说
all the groups all the group's sort of
所有组都有很多相似之处所有组
have the shadow and everything has good
都有阴影并且一切都有好
and bad in the world everything has a
有坏 世界万物都有
shadow and sometimes the brightest light
阴影，有时最亮的光
has a darkest shadow and it's your job
也有最暗的阴影，你的工作
to sort of explore what could be in the
是探索阴影中可能存在
shadow what are the pitfalls of anything
的东西 任何事物的陷阱是什么
and I think that if you're on various
，我认为如果你在不同的
groups you see they all sort of get the
群体中，你会看到 你们都有
same weaknesses where they don't they
相同的弱点，他们没有
find that there's security and consensus
发现现在有安全和
now I'm not picking on any one group I'm
just saying in general that's sort of
the nature of the group if that makes
sense but I feel that I would email a
共识 我觉得我会向
lot of people in any group I've been on
我所在的任何小组中的很多人发送电子邮件，
like I always set up a dialogue with
就像我总是
people away from the group because I'm a
与小组以外的人建立对话，因为我是一个
very curious person and I started seeing
非常好奇的人，我开始
that people never tell the full story
看到人们永远不会讲述完整的故事
you see what I'm saying like people
你明白我在说什么，就像人们
always hold back and if we could just be
总是退缩一样，如果我们可以
honest we'd all move towards healing a
诚实的话，我们都会朝着治愈的方向迈进
little bit you know better or faster or
一点，你知道更好、更快或
easier like like one person had this
更容易，就像一个人有这个
amazing healing story and I and I got to
惊人的治愈故事，我和我得到了
know them better and they focused on
更好地了解他们，他们专注于
what they did to heal and it was
他们为治愈所做的一切，这是
nutrients but but then when I talked to
营养，但是当我与
the person they had like all this
那个人交谈时，他们喜欢所有这些
amazing financial support and family
惊人的经济支持、家庭
support and and friend support for what
支持和朋友对
they went through and but they didn't
他们所经历的支持，但他们没有
speak to that and and I and I even asked
不谈那个，我和我 甚至问
him like don't you think that affected
他，你认为这会不会影响
your healing because with what I've been
你的康复，因为在我
through it's very hard for people
经历过的事情中，人们很难
understand the whole penso thing they
理解他们
zone out after the first mention of like
在第一次提到半条命戒断后就划掉的整个 penso 事情
half life withdrawal and it's very
，这非常
isolating but this person had so much
孤立，但是这个人 得到了如此多的
support and and they didn't mention that
支持，他们没有提到这一点
and I'm like I I really think that that
，我就像我真的认为这
has a lot to do with your healing but if
与你的康复有很大关系，但如果
you want to attribute it to your
你想把它完全归功于你的
nutrients fully then go ahead what can I
营养，那么继续我
do I can't out you so the point is is
能做什么我能 不是你，所以重点是
that I I started collecting in my head
我开始在我的脑海里收集
like healing stories and I remember when
像治疗故事一样，我记得当
I first started studying nutrition there
我第一次开始学习营养时
was this girl that I know and she told
，我认识的这个女孩告诉
me you should talk to my friend cuz she
我你应该和我的朋友谈谈，因为她
you know so much about nutrition and
你知道 很多关于营养的问题，
she's not she's bedridden and blah blah
她不是卧床不起，等等
blah we'll come to find out a month
等等，一个月后我们会发现
later she was doing amazing cuz she left
她做得很棒，因为她离开
her husband and I'm like what like how
了她的丈夫，我就像
can that be she doesn't know about bad
她怎么可能不知道坏
fat yet you know and and so I couldn't
脂肪 然而你知道，所以我 c
wrap my brain around it because we think
我不会把我的大脑围绕在它周围，因为我们
of healing in terms of nutrients and
从营养和营养的角度考虑治疗，
nutrients but what really clarified
但真正
things for me a lot was reading on
让我澄清的是，在
Celia's book stress without distress and
没有痛苦的情况下阅读西莉亚的书压力，然后
I started after that I really really
我开始了，我真的
started focusing on things that you know
开始专注于你关心的事情
not just nutrition because sometimes
不仅知道营养，因为有时
that can create stress but I would
这会造成压力，但我
always see in all these healing stories
总是会在所有这些治愈故事
there's always something that people
中看到人们
don't say because they feel like it's
不说的东西，因为他们觉得它
not going to be accepted or people will
不会被接受，或者人们会
make fun of it or they'll think it's
取笑它或者他们会 认为这很
weird or to you know to misattributed
奇怪，或者你知道错误归因是你
was that the beginning of like when
exactly did you leave the groups and
什么时候离开小组
kind of do your own thing because I
并做你自己的事情的开始，因为我
remember one day being like oh Karen's
记得有一天就像哦，凯伦
not on Facebook I don't know like I
不在 Facebook 我不知道，就像我
think I think Pete said he said in an
想我 想想皮特说他在
interview that it's important to be
接受采访时说，
surrounded by happy people or something
被快乐的人或类似的东西包围很重要
like that and I feel like if you want to
，我觉得如果你想
heal you have to make what I call big
治愈你必须做出我所谓的大
moves and you have to maybe like turn
动作，你有 也许喜欢
off the computer or you know break away
关掉电脑，或者你知道
from the herd or you know get out of the
脱离群体，或者你知道摆脱
bad relationship or quit the shitty job
糟糕的关系或退出糟糕的工作
or whatever it is you know what I'm
或其他什么你知道我在
saying it's different for every person
说什么每个人都不同
but I feel that that is that that is
但我觉得那 是这
really really important to healing and I
对治愈真的很重要 我
think that our illnesses teach us
认为我们的疾病教会了我们
something about the world and life and
一些关于世界和生活的
if it was just about will you lack these
nutrients you know what I'm saying
知识
that's sort of like not an interesting
story and
nobody's gonna make a movie out of like
没有人会像
Danny hild himself with eggshell and the
丹尼那样用蛋壳和胡萝卜掩饰自己
carrot that's not like the human story
的电影 不像人类的
the human story is about getting to know
故事 人类的故事是关于了解
your calling and what you bring into the
你的呼唤和你带给
world that's a very special and how
世界的东西 这是一个非常特别的世界，以及
that's been suppressed and I think it p2
它是如何被压制的，我 认为它 p2
interviews he talks about that like
采访他谈论的
better than anyone else like he really
比其他任何人都好，就像他真正
talks about what can make you sick I
谈论的是什么会让你生病我的
mean that's just so prevalent and raised
意思是这太普遍了，而且
work however we a lot of the times we
工作量很大，但是我们很多时候
get a reduced version of what he's
都减少了 他所
talking about and I'm fully able to take
谈论的内容的版本，我完全能够
some of that blame for my early writings
为我早期
about his work and I think I'm pretty
关于他的作品的著作承担一些责任，我想我很
sure I coined the word Pete terian which
确定我创造了 Pete terian 这个词，它
got changed to Pete Arian okay and I'll
改成了 Pete Arian 好吧，我会的
totally take that blame
完全承担这个责任，
however it's obviously a huge issue
但这显然是一个大问题，
because I think I emailed him once and I
因为我想我给他发了一次电子邮件，
was like hey you know I'm super sorry
我就像嘿，你知道，
for even writing the Pete whisper which
我什至写了皮特耳语
I thought really made his huge effort
我觉得真的让他的巨大努力
into a a minor effort and a lot of
变成了一个小小的努力和很多 的
people were reading that and I I thought
人在读那个，我认为
I kind of shifted his views into like a
我有点把他的观点转变为一种
reductionism well I think that the Pete
还原论我认为
Whisperer
I've refer to it literally like a
我已经把它从字面上提到了
hundred times
一百次
and you have a way of of making things
，你有一种让事情
sound understandable I like to go from
听起来可以理解的方法，我喜欢 从
Mercola
Mercola
to reading dr. Pete's work I mean that's
开始阅读博士。 皮特的工作 我的意思是，这是
a tall order you need to learn his
一项艰巨的任务，你需要学习他的
language and he will make you smarter
语言，他会让你变得更聪明，
like he will literally make your IQ
就像
points go up if you study him or engage
如果你学习他或
with him but the one thing about healing
与他交往，他会让你的智商分数上升，但关于治愈的一件事就
is there or working out or anything in
在那里或锻炼或
life is like a reasonable rate of
生活中的任何事情都像是一个合理的进步速度，
progression you can't jump ahead there
你不能超前，
has to be progression you can't disrupt
必须有进步，你不能如此破坏
homeostasis so so much or you just
体内平衡，或者你只是
create stress so you can't downplay your
制造压力，所以你不能淡化你的
role everybody has a role and we were
角色每个人都有自己的角色，我们曾经
just all learning together so I
只是一起学习，所以我很
like the heat whisperer well it didn't
喜欢热语者，这没有
help because I accumulated a lot of his
帮助，因为我积累了很多他的
newsletters I think after that and at
时事通讯，我想在那之后，有
one point he mentioned the horse
一次他提到了马语
whisperer and he commented how light you
者，他评论说你
need a horse whisperer because the horse
需要马语者有多轻，因为马
is and I was like oh he talks
智障，我就像哦，他
about institutions and authoritarianism
谈论制度和威权主义，
and that's why if you are sick and
这就是为什么如果你生病了，
you're only focused on improving your
你只专注于改善你的
individual health and you're missing the
个人健康，你错过了
big picture you're missing how we're all
大局，你错过了我们的方式 所有人都
sick and how we're all you know
生病了，我们怎么知道 弱智
or whatever but we can heal we can get
或其他什么 但我们可以治愈 我们可以变得
better we can move ahead so I just think
更好 我们可以继续前进 所以我只是
like if a person sick and all they care
想如果一个人生病而他们所
about is just sick people always want to
关心的只是生病 人们总是想
go back they always want to go back to
回去 他们总是 想回到
when they weren't sick and you can't go
他们没有生病而你不能回去的
back you have to go forward and when you
时候你必须向前走，当你
go forward you're gonna be deepened by
向前走时，
your experience you're gonna be someone
你的经历会加深你会成为一个
different
不同的人
and you're gonna hopefully have learned
，你会充满希望 学会了
compassion and see how we're all in this
同情心 看看我们是如何
together we're all sick with the same
在一起
thing and Pete shines a light on what
that is there was a point in which I
talked to you and I said I wasn't really
interested in his ideas on philosophy or
的 在他关于哲学或威权主义的想法中
authoritarianism in fact I didn't even
，实际上我什
know what authority anism was until I
至不知道什么是权威主义，直到我
started reading Pete Zamora
开始阅读皮特·萨莫拉（Pete Zamora），
but at one point I did realize that the
但在某一时刻我确实意识到
way I was talking was progressing myself
我说话的方式正在使自己
as an authority and like all the things
成为权威，并且喜欢
you mentioned and I think you really hit
你的所有事物 提到过，我认为你在家里真的很受欢迎
at home in your article stop repeating
文章停止
did you feel like that was a major
重复你是否觉得这是
problem
with the groups like an Arab Authority
像阿拉伯当局这样的团体的一个主要问题
it's not like to pick on any groups or
它不喜欢挑选任何团体或
anything like that like I guess we could
类似的东西，我想我们可以
just save forums in general because I
只保存论坛，因为我
know I had lots of experience with
知道我有很多经验
forums before I ever heard about Rea
在我听说过 Rea Pete 之前的论坛
Pete yeah and when I think about them
是的，当我想到它们时，
they were poisonous because like I
它们是有毒的，因为就像我
mentioned earlier I would read about
之前提到的，我会读到
somebody's experience with some
某人对某件事的体验
thing and be like that's my experience
，就像那也是我的经历一样，
too I'm not gonna use that thing because
我不会使用那东西，因为
I don't want to have happen what
我不知道 不想发生
so-and-so did and it would just really
某某所做的事情，这只会
warp my perspective on what was what I
扭曲我对
should do or what I shouldn't do
我应该做什么或不应该做什么的看法
and reading Ray was the first time I
，阅读 Ray 是我第
ever read just one person's work and
一次只阅读一个人的作品，
toyed with it without getting all of
在没有得到所有其他输入的情况下玩弄它
these other inputs and I'm torn because
，我很伤心，因为
obviously without Ray Pete forum I would
显然没有 Ray Pete 论坛我
never found Georgie however there are
永远不会找到 Georgie 但是有
lots of times we're all skimmed through
很多时候我们都浏览
a thread and be like what this person
了一个线程，就像这个人想要的
really needs to do is just not go on
那样 ly 需要做的就是不要继续
this form right I mean if they're
这种形式，我的意思是如果他们
addicting a little bit because it's hard
有点上瘾，因为
to face life and we always look for a
很难面对生活，我们总是在寻找
distraction and when you're healing
分心，当你康复时，
you're you're you're finding out who you
你就是你 找出你
are and you have to sort of you're
是谁，你必须有点
trying to like reoccupy your center that
像你试图重新占据你的中心，那
was that was sort of taken from you by
是
the teacher or the minister or whatever
被老师或部长或其他任何东西从你那里
it is and you're sort of detoxing that
拿走的，你有点排毒
and it's really uncomfortable and
，这真的 不舒服，
sometimes you feel depressed before you
有时你会在感觉好起来之前感到沮丧，
feel better like you're going up and
就像你到处走动
down all over the place it's a very
courageous thing to try to heal rather
一样，尝试治愈
than to stay stuck or rather than
而不是卡住或
turning your power over to a medical
将权力交给
doctor who has all the answers who is so
拥有一切的医生是一件非常勇敢的事情 答案是如此
certain you know but when something's
确定，你知道，但当某些事情
very certain then they're locking out
非常确定时，他们就会锁定
possibilities I feel like yeah you want
可能性 我觉得是的，
to be distracted you want go on the
你想要分心
groups and find alliances and enforce
maybe your bad habits in a in a few ways
and and then you know you meet people
然后你认识你我 和
that are interesting and it's just it's
有趣的人，这
just a very complex thing but um there's
只是一件非常复杂的事情，但嗯，
definitely pitfalls and I feel like you
肯定存在陷阱，我觉得
you'd think like the peat groups would
你会认为泥炭团体
be more aware of these pitfalls but
会更清楚这些陷阱，
again you know sometimes the loudest
但你知道有时最响亮的
voice is is the most immature voice and
声音是 最不成熟的声音和
the people that are older and wiser they
年长和聪明的人他们
know some things you have to learn on
知道一些你必须自己学习的东西
your own
and it isn't certain and uncertainty and
，但不确定，不确定性和
loudness seems to to triumph over
响度似乎战胜了
subtlety and discernment and you know
微妙和洞察力，你知道
letting people do their own thing sort
让人们做自己的事情
of and you and you mentioned that in
你和你在
your article with Ray understanding that
你的文章中提到，雷明白
in leaving enough room and his writings
在留出足够的空间和他的作品
for personal interpretation yeah I mean
供个人解释时，是的，我的意思是
he says something like if there's talk
他说的话，如果有
of a protocol then you know they have me
关于协议的讨论，那么你知道他们让我
mistaken with an authority like he
误以为他真的是权威
really really speaks to the empirical
experience I think that was in the first
我认为这是
the first innovated with yes and he
第一个以 yes 创新的经验经验，他
think perceive act yet there's this one
认为感知行为但是
email that he sent me and it says
他给我发了一封电子邮件 并且它说
remembering yourself is the one whose
记住自己是那个
future is always in question in doubt
未来总是受到质疑的人
and open you know we're youthful energy
并且开放你知道我们是年轻的能量
lives and I think it starts to feel so
生活我认为它开始感觉到
gravity is pulling for you making things
重力正在拉动你让事情
rolled towards you okay that's a big
向你滚来好这是一个重要的
statement your future isn't so that
声明你的 未来并非如此，这
means like everything whether it's like
意味着一切都一样，无论它是不是
a supplement like nothing certain
像什么都没有的补充，没有
nothing is sure and and that's the
什么是确定的，这就是
beauty of life that's the mystery of
生活的美丽，这就是生活的奥秘
life and it's that's where you need the
，这就是你需要勇气的地方，
courage but I think that we have been
但我认为我们已经被
indoctrinated that life should not be
灌输了那种生活 不应该
struggle like from every single
像每一个
commercial like if you only bought this
广告一样挣扎，如果你只买了这个
product you'd feel no pain you know what
产品，你就不会感到痛苦，你知道
I'm saying and life is struggle life is
我在说什么，生活就是奋斗，生活就是
pain and if we were just honest about
痛苦，如果我们
the struggle then people put so much
对斗争诚实，那么人们付出了很多
time and energy into pretending they're
时间和精力假装他们
not struggling or hiding the struggle
没有挣扎或隐藏挣扎
that it's just the loss of energy it's
，这只是能量的损失，
it's what they're focusing on and
这就是他们所关注的，
they're losing time they could be spent
他们正在浪费时间，他们可以
focusing on other things
专注于 o
I like how you listed a few things of
我喜欢你如何列出一些
what you thought quote p-ting would
你认为引用 p-ting
really mean and it would be be of
真正意味着什么的事情，这
service to your fellow humans asking for
将有助于你的人类同胞
nothing in return
不
studying firsthand other scientists and
求回报地研究其他科学家和哲学家的第一手资料，
philosophers and making interesting
并建立有趣的
connections and you'd write and paint
联系和你” d 写作和绘画
and have a strong connection to nature
，与自然有着密切的联系
as well as a value of humor and I just
以及幽默的价值，我只是
gave me chills because I thought it was
让我不寒而栗，因为我认为
like I
think of ready when I think of all those
当我想到所有这些事情时，我认为我已经准备好了，
things but I think that people have a
但我认为人们有一种
calling and I think that Rea Pete's
呼唤和 我认为 Rea Pete 的
calling is to is what he's doing and
使命是他正在做的和
what he's modeling you can't lead
他正在塑造的东西 你不能把
someone to a place that you haven't been
某人带到一个你没有去过的地方
to everybody has something special to
每个人都有一些特别的东西可以
bring did you feel like your gravitation
带来你是否觉得你的
did you feed you feel sensitive like I
重力你喂你感觉敏感 就像你之前提到的那样，
feel when I was like paleo and low-carb
当我像古人和低碳水化合物时，
like you mentioned earlier like am I
我觉得我很
crazy like noticing these things I felt
疯狂，喜欢注意到这些事情，我
like I had lots of that like built up
觉得我有很多这样的感觉，就像
like noticing certain things when I like
在我喜欢做的事情时注意到某些事情一样
did things and then finally when I heard
最后，当我听到
ray talk about things I was like oh my
ray 谈论我的事情时，我的
god like somebody else notices those
天哪，就像其他人也注意到了这些
things too and for instance like some of
事情，例如，就像
my the people I consider like really
我认为的一些人一样，我认为他们非常
healthy just from consistently
健康，只是从始至终
throughout I've known some of them like
我都认识他们中的一些人，就像
I'll ask them like do you ever notice
我一样“ 我会问他们，你有没有注意到
your hands and feet being cold and
你的手和脚很冷，
they'll be like no I'm never like I've
他们会说没有，我从来没有，我
never even noticed that but it's it's a
从来没有注意到，但这
like a lack of sensitivity or like
就像对他们的生活缺乏敏感性或意识一样
awareness yeah about about their life
yeah I mean I think you just start
是的，我的意思是我认为你只是开始
waking up a little bit and you I mean
稍微醒来，你我的意思
that's another reason why people don't
是这是人们
want to do this work and heal because
不想做这项工作并治愈的另一个原因，因为
then you have to you have to sit in this
然后你必须坐在这种
discomfort until it shifts whether it's
不适中，直到它发生变化，无论是
you know there's a lot of things to be
你 知道有很多事情会让
uncomfortable with a lot I mean this
很多人感到不舒服 我的意思是这个
world is pretty messed up because of
世界因为
certainty yeah because of certain
确定性而变得一团糟 是的因为确定性
because you know what I'm saying
因为你知道我在说什么
certainty just is the authoritarian
确定性只是专制
mindset and that's why on the group's
心态，这就是为什么在团体中
you know it's just what we've lived it's
你知道这一点 ' 这就是我们的生活
just going into the school system and
刚刚进入学校系统和
stuff like that a very good video I mean
类似的东西 一个非常好的视频 我的意思是
it's been around for a couple of years
它已经存在了几年
but it's that guy can Williamson I think
但是威廉姆森这个人我认为
is his name what's his name is he dark
是他的名字他的名字是他的黑
hair and he quotes Ellie a lot no she's
头发 他经常引用 Ellie 的话，不，她是，
uh he's like he does this um TED talk
呃，他就像他在 TED
about the education system and um I
谈论教育系统一样，嗯，我
forgot I know it's like Sir Ken
忘了我知道这就像肯爵士，
something but maybe I could give you the
但也许我可以稍后给你
link later but he really talks about you
链接，但他真的谈到了你
know
知道
with the educational system dust in a
的 教育系统以一种
very fresh and interesting way like
非常新鲜和有趣的方式尘埃落定，就像
there's one answer and it's in the back
有一个答案，它在
of the book like he says that that's
书的后面，就像他说的那样，这
what we've been trained under so we
就是我们接受过的培训，所以我们
that's conformity so people are coming
就是从众，所以人们
from that nobody's unaffected from these
来自那里，没有人不受这些
things there's no corner of our society
事情的影响 我们社会的任何角落都
that remains unaffected where you can go
不会受到影响，您可以
and have this ideal nutrition group
去那里进行理想的营养小组
discussion like everybody's healing from
讨论，就像每个人都从中康复一样，
this so it's gonna look like
所以看起来
authoritarianism is winning sometimes
威权主义有时会获胜
and other times it's gonna look like
，而有时则是g 看起来像
some of the ideas that Pete's shedding
皮特揭示的一些想法
light on is gaining more traction he was
正在获得更多的吸引力
the first person I thought like okay you
can still be a sensitive person I always
thought I guess health was like
perfection before I started reading race
stuff and he just shifted what I thought
把我
was healthy into like a new way of
认为健康的东西变成了一种新的
thinking I guess like you can still eat
思维方式 我猜你仍然可以吃
a food that has like a powerful allergen
一种含有强大过敏原的食物
in it and get diarrhea or something like
，然后腹泻或类似的
I I didn't that wasn't something I guess
东西 我想我从来没有这样
I was ever focused on like before that I
过 像以前那样专注，我
thought it was just being mark Sisson or
认为这只是标记 Sisson 或
having abs or something like that and I
有腹肌或类似的东西，我
and I I felt like that was a freeing
和 II 觉得这是一件很自由的
thing knowing that Ray was a sensitive
事情，因为知道雷是一个敏感的
person and you could still be an
人，而你仍然可以成为一个
incredibly higher functioning person
非常高功能的人
that's really smart and speaks really
，这真的是 我读过这篇文章很聪明，讲得
well and right to life
很好，很正确
there's this article I read and it was
，我读过这篇文章，内容是
about all these old people that had jobs
关于所有这些有工作的老人
are really important that they loved
真的很重要，他们喜欢
just like a Ruth Bader Ginsburg and
像 Ruth Bader Ginsburg 和
stuff like that and they were really old
stu ff 就像那样，它们真的很老了
and they're still highly highly
，它们仍然具有很高的
functioning and I don't think anybody
功能，我认为没有人
mentioned nutrition there's other things
提到过营养还有其他
that affect your health and like that's
影响您健康的事情，就像
hard for people to understand that was
人们难以理解的那样
hard for me to understand and I was so
，我也很难理解 所以
focused on the nutrition on the
专注于
nutrition on the nutrition and then to
营养上的营养，然后
look past that that's what sometimes
回顾过去，有时
people who are focused on nutrition
那些专注于营养的
don't want to see is that there's other
人不想看到的是，
things you can like if you put all your
如果你把所有的
focus in you to nutrition what about
注意力都放在营养上，你会喜欢其他的东西
being creative that's very healing what
有创意那是非常治愈
about doing the chop of your
的怎么样做你的印章
this touches on I'm not gonna say it
这涉及到我不会说
right but V medic attrex naturally yeah
对但V medic attrex自然是的
which is the idea that your body can
这是你的身体可以自愈的想法
heal itself if you leave it it's like a
如果你离开它就像一个
very ancient concept and I hit upon it
非常古老的 概念，
when I was studying Canon who influenced
当我研究影响莎莉的佳能时，我
Sally a and so um that's one thing that
想到了它，所以嗯，这是
I was telling you about before like when
我之前告诉过你的一件事，就像当
you read these old-timers they have a
你阅读这些老前辈时，他们有一个
narrative that um also sort of has
叙述，嗯也是如此 rt of
parallels to life that you can learn
与生活有相似之处，你可以
about your body but learn about life too
了解你的身体，但也了解生活
and I feel like modern medicine does not
，我觉得现代医学
have that if you are sick and you go to
没有，如果你生病了，你
the doctor they feed into this whole
去看医生，他们把
emphasis on the minutia cuz they're like
重点放在细节上，因为他们' 就像
let's just get that test score different
让我们只是让测试分数不同
here's a drug not like let's discuss
这里是一种药物 不像让我们讨论
your life let's discuss what influenced
你的生活 让我们讨论是什么影响了
you the world and so um reading Canon or
你的世界 所以嗯阅读佳能或
sell yeh they all sort of bring parallel
卖 yeh 他们都
in Pete as well they have these
在皮特中带来了相似之处 他们也有这些
parallels to life in general and I
与生活中的相似之处 总体而言，我
thought that reading about homeostasis
认为阅读有关体内平衡的文章
and not disrupting that too much and
，不要过多地破坏它
just trusting the wisdom of the body is
，相信身体的智慧
was a really important concept and I
是一个非常重要的概念，我
think may one who said something about
认为可能有人说过
if to be careful when you're studying
，当你在研究你不知道的东西时是否要小心
something that you don't with a slide or
不是用幻灯片或
whatever it is that you don't harm it
任何你不会伤害它的东西
and so if you're the experimenter and
，所以如果你是实验者并且
you're experimenting on yourself you
你在自己身上做实验，你
have to be careful you have to treat
必须小心你必须对待
that complex body which is still a
那个仍然是一个
mystery to us it's like so complex and
谜的复杂身体 对我们来说，它是如此复杂和
amazing you have to have respect for you
惊人，你必须尊重你
can't start throwing all these
不能开始向它扔所有这些
supplements at it if that makes sense
补充剂，如果这是有道理的，
cuz anytime use a supplement it's a
因为任何时候使用补充剂它都是一种
potential remedy but it's also a
潜在的补救措施，但它也是
potential homeostasis disrupt or in a
潜在的体内平衡破坏或
negative way you could cause stress and
负面 你可能会造成压力的方式，你会
you see that happening with on the
看到这种情况发生在
group's like I did this this this Denise
团队中，就像我这样做这个丹尼斯
I'm like God your body didn't know what
我就像上帝你的身体不知道什么
hit you need a reasonable rate of
打击你需要一个合理的
progression
进步
your body needs gentleness so I I think
你的身体需要温和所以我认为
these are important concepts that that
这些是
get lost when we're trying to hit upon
当我们试图
that perfect supplement to take away
找到完美的补充以消除
everything that's wrong with us my
我们所有的错误时，重要的概念会丢失 我
favorite thing
最喜欢的东西
you certain that article it's just the
你确定那篇文章它只是
big picture thing and that lacking from
全局的事情，并且
some aspects of groups and forums but
在团体和论坛的某些方面缺乏但是
that rate tries to get across
那 rate 试图理解
I guess it's it's confusing coming from
我想这是来自
different styles of eating and
不同风格的饮食和
supplementing and then Turay and you
补充剂的混淆，然后是 Turay，你
hear about supplements so obviously
听说补充剂很明显
you'd want to take them but I mean
你想服用它们 但我的意思是
hopefully us talking about it and trying
希望我们谈论它并
to progress the complexity of everything
试图提高一切的复杂性
will help some other people because I
会帮助其他一些人，因为我
know I was just completely lost and then
知道我完全迷失了
it took multiple conversations with you
然后与你进行了多次对话
and continued reading to understand all
并继续阅读以了解
these different aspects of health that I
我对健康的所有这些不同方面
was just unaware of like I'm not a
只是不
repeat fan he's a teacher and he doesn't
知道就像我不是重复
want fans he wants people to stand
toe-to-toe with him and some people you
don't want to put him on a pedestal
because that's not fair to him but we
粉丝一样 对他不公平，但我们
need someone older and wiser not to have
需要一个更年长、更聪明的人，而不是
the answers for us but to sort of show
为我们提供答案，而是向我们展示
us the map a little bit or validate us
一点地图或验证我们
or to give us unconditional positive
或给予我们无条件的积极
regard it's very powerful
评价，这非常强大
and now I always tell people I'm like
，现在我总是告诉人们我' 我想
you know out of all of Pete's work
你知道在皮特的所有工作
that's helped me the most it's the
中对我帮助最大的是
emails because then I started feeling
电子邮件，因为那时我开始
like less depressed about what I was
对我所看到的感到不那么沮丧
seeing and thinking that I'm not crazy
，并认为我并不
like he sees this stuff too and he
像他看到这些东西那样疯狂，他也
validate and that relieved a lot of
验证了 减轻了很多
stress and then I can focus on other
压力，然后我可以专注于其他
things and I could sleep better and we
事情，我可以睡得更好，我们
all need a mentor or somebody to have to
都需要一位导师或某人来
guide us who asked me before about the
指导我们之前向我询问
blog and and I and I wanted to mention
博客的人，我和我想提及
it because one of the reasons that I
它，因为一个 我
started the blog was to create awareness
开始写博客的原因之一是为了提高认识
and I I don't know if you know or if it
，我不知道你是否知道，或者
the people listen to this know Eric
听这个的人是否知道 Eric
lepine but I had read some of his stuff
lepine 但我读过他的一些东西
and I felt like we had the same values
，我觉得我们有相同的价值观
and similar goals so we we sort of
和 类似的目标，所以我们
started writing together and the one
开始一起写作，
thing I didn't want to do is he's put a
我不想做的一件事是他
lot of noise out there I only wanted to
在那里制造了很多噪音我只
write when I was inspired because I
在受到启发时才想写，因为我
think there's too much noise and so um I
认为噪音太多，所以我
thought of the idea of inviting people
想到邀请人们
to write for the blog and I really feel
为博客写作的想法，我真的
that creativity is very
觉得创造力非常
very healing and what I didn't realize
非常治愈，但我没有
is that it's really hard for people to
意识到人们很难
be creative like it's really really like
a lot of people are like I want to write
像很多人一样有创造力 我想
for the blog and then there just don't
为博客写作，然后就去做
have the confidence but I feel
没有信心，但我觉得
creativity and creating things is really
创造力和创造事物
helpful for health and I feel like after
对健康真的很有帮助，我觉得
a while when I did the blog I realized
在我写博客一段时间后，我
the people that are reading this blog
意识到正在阅读这个博客的
are already aware I don't have to
人已经意识到我不必
increase their awareness it's how do you
增加他们的 意识是
deal with awareness when you start
当你开始
learning all this stuff this crazy stuff
学习所有这些东西时你如何处理意识这些
about the world how do you balance that
关于世界的疯狂东西你如何
with being happy and having energy to do
平衡快乐和精力去做
things so um I really wanted to have a
事情所以嗯我真的很想有一个
place and anybody that's listening to
地方和任何人都在听
this can can write for the blog I just
这个 can 可以为博客写文章我只是
want to extend that out because I feel
想扩展一下，因为我觉得
creativity is very healing I feel an
创造力非常治愈我觉得是
antidote to the to the authoritarian
专制
mindset and I feel like it's it's so
心态的解药，我觉得它很
easy to destroy but to create isn't much
容易摧毁，但创造并不
harder and that's why like even if
难，就是这样 为什么即使
someone hated the repeating article fine
有人讨厌重复的文章也很好
come come write like here's a thousand
来写一千
words
字
for you to express your point of view
让你从你的角度表达你的观点
from your but from your own vantage
，但从你自己的
point about what you think about eating
角度来表达你对吃那个东西的看法
that's much harder than to just tear
' 比仅仅拆除其他人所做的事情要困难得多，
down what somebody else did but here's
但这是
your own place I really wanted to give
你自己的地方
people a place where they had an equal
opportunity to hear however their voice
hurt instead of just one person having
all the answers so I just want to put
把
that out there in case in case anybody
它放在那里，以防万一有人
wanted to write for the blog you're more
想为博客写文章，
than welcome to david lynch if you look
如果你
search him on youtube an idea and he
在 youtube 上搜索他的想法，他
talks about having an idea and how
说你有一个想法，多么
amazing is and that it you'll get them
了不起，那你就非常欢迎你来大卫林奇。”
like from nowhere and then they'll just
会不知从哪里得到他们，然后他们就会
like grow yeah and I can completely
喜欢成长，是的，我完全可以
resonate with that because there have
与之产生共鸣，因为有时候我
been times where like I couldn't think
of anything and then having deadlines
想不出任何事情，然后有
for doing work was torturous and but
工作的最后期限是痛苦的，但是
when you get like a cool idea it can be
当你得到 就像一个很酷的主意，它可以是
one of the most like joyous
有史以来最快乐的
things ever and then when you're
事情之一，然后当你
finished with it it can be sad too but
完成它时，它也可以是悲伤的，
but I totally totally understand yeah
但我完全理解
yeah it's like postpartum or something
是的，这就像产后或
after you do a big project because you
你做了一个大项目之后的事情，因为 你
really put your your mind body and soul
真的把你的
into it but I I just feel it's very
身心都投入其中，但我觉得它非常
invigorating and you learn a lot about
令人振奋，你学到了很多关于
yourself and I think that like I wrote
自己的知识，我想就像我写了
that fiction book about healing and a
那本关于治愈的小说书和
lot of the ideas I'm talking about
我今晚谈论的很多想法一样
tonight I work into the book I feel like
我在这本书中工作，我觉得
everything's a story what dr. P talks
一切都是一个故事，博士。 P
about it's a story and if you hit upon
谈到这是一个故事，如果你
the right story then it can really
找到正确的故事，那么它真的可以
really move you forward but if you hit
真正推动你前进，但如果你
upon like a reductionist certain story
像一个还原论者一样找到某个故事
that doesn't leave a lot of room for who
，它不会为你是谁留下很多空间
you are and it's not gonna heal you it's
，它不会治愈 你这
gonna keep you stuck but writing that
会让你陷入困境，但写那
book really really helped me to heal a
本书真的帮助我治愈了
lot and I just want to make people laugh
很多，我只是想让人们发笑
and if you liked any of the things I'm
，如果你喜欢我
talking about tonight then you may want
今晚谈论的任何事情，那么你可能
to check it out because it's I use the
想看看，因为它是 我使用
story format because I think that's the
故事格式，因为我认为这是
best way to reveal an idea or discuss an
揭示一个想法或讨论一个想法的最佳方式
idea can you give everybody details to
你能不能给每个人详细介绍
your book and your website
你的书和你的网站
um the website is vision and acceptance
嗯网站是愿景和接受
com and the book is eat something sweet
com 而这本书是吃一些甜的东西，
you'll feel better
你会感觉到 更好的
Karen thank you so much for talking with
凯伦非常感谢你
me today yeah my pleasure Danny thank
今天与我交谈是的，我很高兴丹尼
you so much for giving time and space to
非常感谢你
some of these ideas I think it's really
为这些想法中的一些提供时间和空间我认为这真的
gonna help some people
会帮助一些
that's going to conclude this week's
将要结束本周的
episode of generative energy I'd like to
生成能量剧集的人我
thank Karen again for talking with me
再次感谢 Karen 与我
along with my patrons for their support
和我的赞助人交谈，感谢他们对节目的支持
of the show and making all the content
，并使我能够制作的所有内容
I'd make possible and without them none
成为可能，没有他们
of this could happen so sincere thank
，这一切都不会发生，所以真诚地
you to my patrons donating $1 $2 $3 any
感谢我的赞助人捐赠 1 美元 2 美元 3 美元 任何
25 cents anything is amazing so I
25 美分的东西都很棒，所以我
sincerely appreciate it please leave
真诚地感谢它，请在评论部分留下
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您的评论和建设性的
criticisms in the comment section and
批评，
thanks again for the support of the show
再次感谢您对节目的支持，
hit that like button if you're on
如果您在 YouTube 上点击那个按钮
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，再次感谢您
the show as always has been so fun to do
一如既往地收听节目 一直很有趣，
and to talk with Karen and Georgie on a
regular basis is pretty amazing so I'm
定期与凯伦和乔治交谈非常棒，所以我
extremely fortunate thanks again for
非常幸运再次感谢
listening and supporting the show and
收听和支持这个节目，
I'll talk to you guys soon
我很快就会和你们谈谈
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听 Karen Mcc 和我讨论我们在营养小组上的经验，我们对 Ray Peat 的介绍，以及为什么 Ray Peat 不希望您在生成能量播客的第 13 集中“跟随他”！
“适应文化创造了一种生活轨迹，在这种轨迹中，他们想要的与生活需要的相反。记住自己是那个未来总是充满疑问、怀疑和开放的人，你知道年轻的能量在哪里，我认为它开始感觉好像重力在拉你，让事情向你滚来——也就是说，事情表明他们需要去的地方，所以没有必要计划，相反，当他们打开更好的概括时，继续感知可能性。”-雷·皮
• Karen 的书 - 吃点甜的，你会感觉更好 ► http://bit.ly/karenbook • 组织恐慌 - 对 Ray Peat 博士的采访 ► http://bit.ly/rayinterviewone • 十个问题和思想-身体连接访谈 ► http://bit.ly/rayinterviewtwo • Ray Peat 否定访谈 ► http://bit.ly/rayinterviewthree
• 在 YouTube 上订阅 ► http://bit.ly/ytubesub • 在 iTunes 上订阅 ► http://bit.ly/geitunes • 直接下载 ► http://bit.ly/1NAiXPx • 支持 Patreon 上的节目 ► http: bit.ly/drpatreon • 下载 Danny 的（免费）书 ► http://bit.ly/maindrod • Facebook 上的 Danny Roddy ► http://bit.ly/tdrwfaceb • Instagram 上的 Danny Roddy ► http://bit .ly/instatdrw • 歌曲：天文学 - 我心中一无所有 01:09 - Danny 对 Ray Peat 的介绍 02:20 - Ray Peat 的工作和新观点 03:19 - Danny 了解 Ray Peat 吗？ 04:26 - Karen 在营养和健康方面的背景 05:13 - “为摆脱一致性付出代价” 07:53 - 主流医学和替代医学的问题 09:22 - “该死的橙汁” 10:08 - Karen's与 Ray 的电子邮件通信 11:18 - 在零碳水化合物和安全淀粉之间 12:17 - Ray 的回复 - 尊重和验证 13:10 - Karen 对 Ray 的采访 14:25 - 团体和论坛的问题 15:48 - 混淆健康因素 16:48 - 女人离开丈夫后解决健康问题 17:21 - Hans Selye 的书，Stress without Distress 18:01 - 在治疗方面取得重大进展 18:48 - Karen 关于人类故事 19:17 - Danny 向 Ray 道歉，因为他写了 The Peat Whisperer 20:22 - 离开 Mercola到 Peat - 一项 艰巨的任务 21:58 - “生病的人总是想回去” 22:20 - 丹尼对威权主义不感兴趣 24:01 - “重新占据你的中心” 25:17 - “最响亮的声音可能是最不成熟的声音' 26:06 - '没有什么是确定的，没有什么是肯定的' 27:09 - ' Peating'真正意味着什么 28:02 - 丹尼是一朵敏感的花 28:53 - '确定性是专制心态' 29： 44 - Ken Robinson 关于教育范式（视频：http://bit.ly/educationparadigm） 30:22 -营养中的威权主义 31:22 - 除了营养之外的其他健康因素 32:07 - Vis medicatrix naturae 34:05 - “合理的进展速度” 34:59 - 为什么 Karen 不是 Ray Peat 的“粉丝” 35:53 - 关于 visionandacceptance.com 的更多信息 36:06- Éric Lépine 是毒品 36:56 - “你如何处理意识？” 37:27 - “容易破坏，难以创造” 38:12 - 大卫林奇的想法（视频：http: bit.ly/1RS5Soq ）
39:08 - 凯伦在她的书上（链接：http://bit .ly/karenbook）
