@Katie Deming医生 ：我是一位拥有20年经验的放射肿瘤学家，我发现癌症可能是一种代谢疾病，而不是主要由基因决定。这改变了我们治疗疾病的方式。我们没有充分理解癌症，也没有从可以真正解决问题的角度来治疗它。我们应该关注慢性炎症和氧化应激，它们会损害线粒体并导致DNA损伤。生酮饮食和延长禁食可以切断癌细胞的主要燃料来源——葡萄糖，并诱导自噬，让身体利用患病组织作为燃料。延长禁食，特别是超过9天的禁食，可以导致肿瘤缩小甚至完全消失。这是一种强大的治疗方法，不仅能解决癌症的物理表现，还能解决其更深层次的根源。这需要专业人士的监督，尤其是在关键的恢复进食阶段。 我的实践中，许多患者通过延长禁食取得了显著的疗效。例如，一位乳腺癌患者在进行17天禁食后，脑部肿瘤完全消失；另一位转移性乳腺癌患者在进行14天禁食后，不需要进行乳房切除术。延长禁食除了靶向癌细胞外，还可以全面促进身体康复，包括重置新陈代谢、排毒、肠道菌群平衡以及引发深刻的情绪和精神体验。 延长禁食与生酮饮食的区别在于，延长禁食可以诱导自噬，让身体利用患病组织作为燃料，而生酮饮食只是限制了癌细胞的燃料供应。延长禁食期间，患者需要远离电子设备，进行轻度运动，并进行冥想、写作等活动，以促进身心放松。将禁食者组成小组，可以增强彼此的支持和鼓励，并促进精神上的觉醒。即使癌症没有完全治愈，延长禁食也能带来身心方面的全面益处，包括排毒、情绪释放和生活方式的改变。 @Robert Lufkin医生 ：在节目的开始，我介绍了Katie Deming医生的观点，并就癌症的代谢机制、生酮饮食和延长禁食的疗效进行了深入探讨。我们讨论了生酮饮食在胶质母细胞瘤治疗中的作用，以及延长禁食的安全性及潜在益处。我们还探讨了如何决定患者禁食的时长，以及如何支持患者在精神层面的成长。
我是一位拥有20年放射肿瘤学经验的医生，Katie Deming。多年来，我逐渐意识到，我们对癌症的理解存在根本性偏差。癌症并非主要由基因决定，而是一种代谢疾病。 这一认识彻底改变了我对癌症治疗的看法。
我们对癌症的治疗方式存在问题。我们没有充分理解癌症，也没有从可以真正解决问题的角度来治疗它。 我们长期以来关注的基因突变，可能只是慢性炎症和氧化应激的结果。慢性炎症和氧化应激会损害线粒体，进而导致DNA损伤。
生酮饮食和延长禁食为我们提供了一种全新的治疗思路。癌细胞主要通过发酵作用利用葡萄糖作为燃料，即使在有氧条件下也是如此（瓦氏效应）。通过生酮饮食或延长禁食，我们可以切断癌细胞的主要燃料来源——葡萄糖。
研究表明，生酮饮食可以显著延长胶质母细胞瘤（GBM）患者的生存期。然而，最显著的效果来自于在专业监督下的延长禁食。
我的临床实践中，许多患者通过延长禁食获得了令人瞩目的疗效。例如，一位脑部转移的乳腺癌患者在进行17天禁食后，肿瘤完全消失；另一位转移性乳腺癌患者在进行14天禁食后，避免了乳房切除手术。
延长禁食的益处远不止于靶向癌细胞。它能全面促进身体康复：重置新陈代谢、排毒、重新平衡肠道菌群，并常常引发深刻的情绪和精神体验。参与者报告说，他们获得了改变人生的顿悟，体验到了意想不到的精神联系，并彻底改变了他们与食物和健康的关系。
延长禁食与生酮饮食的区别在于其诱导自噬的能力。 生酮饮食主要限制癌细胞的燃料供应，而延长禁食则能让身体利用患病组织作为燃料，实现真正的自我修复。 这需要专业人士的监督，尤其是在关键的恢复进食阶段。
我的延长禁食疗程并非简单的禁食。在禁食期间，患者需要远离电子设备，进行轻度运动（例如弹床运动、伸展运动），并进行冥想、写作等活动，以促进身心放松。更重要的是，我将禁食者组成小组，增强彼此的支持和鼓励，并促进精神上的觉醒。这种集体体验常常带来意想不到的精神联系和心灵成长。
即使癌症没有完全治愈，延长禁食也能带来身心方面的全面益处：排毒、情绪释放以及对食物和健康关系的重新认知。 这是一种强大的治疗方法，不仅能解决癌症的物理表现，还能解决其更深层次的根源。 这是一种被传统医学忽视了太久的康复途径，无论是作为传统疗法的替代方案，还是作为辅助疗法，延长禁食都展现出巨大的潜力。 但必须强调的是，这需要专业的指导和监督，尤其是在恢复进食阶段。 只有在专业人士的指导下，才能最大限度地发挥延长禁食的益处，并规避潜在风险。
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00:44 我认为癌症本质上是一种代谢疾病，而不是主要由基因决定，这改变了我们治疗疾病的方式。
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01:03 通过限制葡萄糖的摄入（例如生酮饮食或延长禁食），可以实现显著的治疗效果，因为癌细胞主要通过发酵利用葡萄糖作为燃料。
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01:19 研究表明，生酮饮食可以显著延长胶质母细胞瘤患者的生存期，但最显著的效果来自有监督的禁食。
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01:45 延长禁食除了靶向癌细胞外，还可以全面促进身体康复，包括重置新陈代谢、排毒、肠道菌群平衡以及引发深刻的情绪和精神体验。
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02:02 这种方法必须在专业人士的监督下进行，尤其是在关键的恢复进食阶段。
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02:31 禁食提供了一种治疗途径，这种途径是传统医学长期以来忽视的。
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04:52 饮食在健康中扮演着巨大的角色，癌症是一种代谢疾病，而大多数医学院没有教授营养学。
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05:34 西方医学中关于癌症主要是一种遗传疾病的说法是不准确的，因为大多数癌症病例并非遗传性的，癌症的增加一定与生活方式有关。
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06:07 将癌症视为代谢疾病，而非仅仅关注DNA损伤，可以开启更多治疗途径。
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06:55 通过改善饮食，可以改善多种慢性疾病，包括癌症、胰岛素抵抗、糖尿病和神经退行性疾病等。
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07:19 情绪与疾病之间存在密切联系，改善饮食和身心健康才能有效应对情绪问题。
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09:21 环境中的毒素和导致炎症的饮食可能会导致DNA损伤，但慢性炎症和氧化应激才是根本原因。
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10:02 虽然遗传因素很重要，但并非所有有遗传倾向的人都会患癌，生活方式和环境暴露在癌症发展中起着重要作用。
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10:55 代谢异常是癌症的根本原因，基因突变是其结果，因此治疗癌症应首先解决代谢问题。
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12:04 一项小型研究表明，生酮饮食可以降低胶质母细胞瘤的复发率。
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12:21 关于生酮饮食在胶质母细胞瘤治疗中的作用，已有几项小型研究表明其具有潜在益处，可以延缓疾病进展。
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13:44 DNA损伤可能是线粒体功能障碍的结果，而不是癌症的根本原因。
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14:03 癌细胞主要通过有氧发酵进行代谢，这会产生大量的氧自由基，从而损伤DNA。
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15:32 生酮饮食通过降低葡萄糖水平来切断癌细胞的主要燃料来源。
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16:34 生酮饮食通过让身体利用酮体而不是葡萄糖作为燃料，从而切断癌细胞的主要能量来源。
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18:07 生酮饮食对其他癌症也可能有益，但由于疗效研究需要更长时间，因此在其他癌症类型中证明其有效性比在胶质母细胞瘤中更具挑战性。
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19:42 禁食是另一种进入酮症状态的方法，它除了限制葡萄糖外，还具有修复组织和排毒的作用。
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21:26 禁食除了诱导酮症外，还可以促进身体修复，因为进食会引发炎症，而禁食期间身体可以更有效地修复。
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22:01 研究表明，短期禁食（24-72小时）可以增强化疗效果，减少副作用，并提高生活质量。
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24:04 我在实践中发现，延长禁食（至少9天）可以导致肿瘤缩小，甚至完全消失。
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26:12 我的一位乳腺癌患者在进行17天禁食后，脑部肿瘤完全消失。
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26:59 另一位转移性乳腺癌患者在进行14天禁食后，不需要进行乳房切除术。
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27:51 延长禁食的安全性数据来自Alan Goldhammer博士的研究，该研究对25000多名进行过水禁食的人进行了安全研究。
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32:27 延长禁食与生酮饮食的区别在于，延长禁食可以诱导自噬，让身体利用患病组织作为燃料，而生酮饮食只是限制了癌细胞的燃料供应。
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33:16 延长禁食（6-7天以上）会诱导自噬，身体会优先利用患病组织作为燃料。
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35:55 延长禁食不仅可以限制癌细胞的燃料供应，还可以通过自噬过程修复身体并清除毒素，而生酮饮食主要作用是限制燃料供应。
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38:23 延长禁食的时间取决于患者的治疗目标和身体状况，如果患者希望完全自然地治愈癌症，则应尽可能延长禁食时间。
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40:48 在延长禁食期间，患者需要远离电子设备，进行轻度运动，并进行冥想、写作等活动，以促进身心放松。
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42:47 将禁食者组成小组，可以增强彼此的支持和鼓励，并促进精神上的觉醒。
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50:53 即使癌症没有完全治愈，延长禁食也能带来身心方面的全面益处，包括排毒、情绪释放和生活方式的改变。
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55:09 我的网站是katiedemming.com，社交媒体账号是katiedemmingmd。
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Welcome back to the Health Longevity Secrets Show with your host, Dr. Robert Lufkin. His book titled, Lies I Taught in Medical School, is a New York Times bestseller. See the show notes for a link to download a free chapter. And now please enjoy this week's episode as we look at fasting against cancer with Dr. Katie Deming. 语法解析
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The shocking truth about cancer treatment lies in what medical schools aren't teaching doctors. After 20 years as a radiation oncologist, Dr. Katie Deming discovered that cancer might be fundamentally a metabolic condition rather than primarily genetic. This is an insight that transforms how we approach healing. 语法解析
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Cancer cells predominantly use glucose as fuel through something called fermentation, even when oxygen is present. This is known as the Warburg effect. By eliminating this fuel source through ketogenic diets or even extended water fasting, remarkable healing becomes possible. 语法解析
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Recent studies have shown that patients with glioblastoma multiforme, which is a malignant type of brain tumor, live significantly longer on ketogenic diets. But the most profound results come from supervised water fasting. 语法解析
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Beyond targeting cancer cells, extended fasting offers comprehensive healing. In other words, resetting metabolism, detoxifying the body, rebalancing the microbiome, and often triggering profound emotional and spiritual experiences. Participants report life-changing insights, unexpected spiritual connections, and a complete reset of their relationship with food and health. 语法解析
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Now, this approach must be professionally supervised, especially the critical refeeding phase. But this represents a powerful healing journey that addresses not just the physical manifestation of cancer, but also its deeper roots. 语法解析
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Join the health longevity medical imaging revolution today. And now, please enjoy this week's episode. Reboot the whole thing or we can, why don't we just start? That's good. Hey Katie, welcome to the program. 语法解析
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Hey, Robert, thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm so excited to get into today the ideas around cancer and fasting and all these things. But before we do, before we get into those particulars, maybe you could say a few words about what your what what 语法解析
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What do we get wrong today with the way we conceptualize cancer and cancer therapy? Sure. Well, so, you know, my background is I had been a radiation oncologist for 20 years and then left Western medicine because I knew something was not right, but I wasn't sure exactly what the problem was. And when I came out into starting to learn medicine, 语法解析
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what makes us well and so that I could better understand what is the root cause. Like, why are we getting sicker and sicker? Why are all these chronic conditions, diabetes, obesity, neurodegenerative disease, cancer, all exponentially rising and what can we do about it? A few things really raised to the forefront for me. One is diet is a huge part of it. Cancer is a metabolic condition. And I think, 语法解析
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You know, in medicine, I wasn't taught one class, not one class on nutrition. I don't know about you. And it's still that way in most medical schools. And yet, most of these conditions that we are dealing with that are, you know, it's 语法解析
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exponentially raising every year are founded in metabolic principles. And if we could get our diet and nutrition correct, we could solve this. And I think the same thing is with cancer. I think, you know, cancer, there are a few things that are going on. You know, the story that we've been told in Western medicine, at least in my training was that it was mainly a genetic condition, but we know that's not true because cancer, 语法解析
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know let's just take breast cancer which was my specialty 95 of my cases were not hereditary not genetically based they were sporadic and so a very small proportion of it is genetic and also if it was genetic we wouldn't be seeing this tremendous rise there has to be something going on in lifestyle 语法解析
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And so as I started to look at the information and data from Otto Warburg, looking at cancer as a metabolic condition, it made me realize 语法解析
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that we really just don't understand cancer in the Western paradigm for what we're treating. We're focused on these DNA damage and really targeting that as the primary treatment. But if you understand cancer as a metabolic condition, it opens up so many other ways 语法解析
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to address this issue. And oh, by the way, if we start to do dietary changes, we also help with all the other problems that people are having because often they don't just have one condition. Oftentimes they have insulin resistance or diabetes or they're overweight or they have neurodegenerative disease. And as you start to improve people's diet, you start to improve all these other things as well. And the 语法解析
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The other piece for me is that I really believe that there is a big connection between emotions and illness. And I've found that you can't address the emotions unless you get the diet right and you get people grounded and feeling well in their bodies. So I think it all goes together, but I think in cancer, I don't think that we really have 语法解析
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in Western medicine understand what cancer is and are not approaching it from a level that you can really solve the problem. That's why even if we help people get better, we're having more and more people diagnosed with cancer every year. And then by the way, people get sick again, right? We don't really solve the problem completely. So I think there's a lot of opportunity, which is exciting. Yeah. Yeah. So before we put the DNA, uh, 语法解析
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basis to bed. I get what you're saying about the fact that in your breast cancer patients and in most cancers, they're not strictly hereditary. In other words, there aren't specific genes associated with them. And then compounding that to your other point, the fact that cancer rates in many cancers are increasing now relative to the population. So 语法解析
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if this were just a genetic somatic or a germ cell genetic mutation, the rate shouldn't change. So something in the environment is going on. The question, I guess, the one remaining piece about genetic damage is what about the idea that 语法解析
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It's an environmental factor, and the environment through carcinogens of all different types are causing gene damage. So the genes are damaged, and then that causes the cancer. And they may be in damage to ways that are not consistent. How do we know? What's the evidence for that? Yeah. 语法解析
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gene damage doesn't cause it, you know? Well, I do think, I do think that the toxins in our environment and then also eating a diet that causes inflammation in the body can lead to DNA damage. So absolutely that there is this lifestyle component where, whether it's physical toxins in the products that we use or the air that we breathe or, you know, 语法解析
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The in the food, the glyphosate, all of that stuff, there's potential that we have. We're causing damage with those with the things that we are bringing into our body for sure. But the interesting thing is that I really think it comes down to chronic inflammation and oxidative stress, which is. 语法解析
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basically stressing the mitochondria and basically having deficient or dysfunctional mitochondria to manage all of that oxidative stress that we have going on. So I do think that those things tie in, but this idea that it's a genetic condition that it's passed down that I think we've been taught a lot about that. 语法解析
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And that is important, but then not everyone with a genetic condition gets cancer, right? So their lifestyle and what they're exposed to play into the development of cancer. Yeah. So it's certainly not, yeah, genetic, it's certainly not genes, hereditary genes and even mutations, I guess. People make the argument that gene mutations are present in cancer and 语法解析
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as are metabolic abnormalities, but the question is which are causal. In other words, do the gene therapy cause metabolism or vice versa? And it sounds like you, of the opinion, and I think the evidence is strong too, that the metabolic abnormalities drive gene mutations, which are present, but they're not primary. What does that mean? Well, if you want to fix the disease, you want to fix what's primary. So you want to fix what's 语法解析
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what's upstream and if it's metabolism, um, 语法解析
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that's the cause. So let's talk about some evidence for that. We were talking offline about a recent paper that's, that's in a, in a relatively short line of other papers that shows the advantages of a metabolic intervention for cancer. And this was specifically a, a ketogenic diet, which ketosis is, as our audience knows, is a favorable metabolic state that can be induced with diet or fasting or a 语法解析
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was from Thessalonia, Greece, I think. And also Thomas Seyfried from Boston was on that, but they… 语法解析
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It was a small study, fair enough, a small study. But it showed that with a malignant form of brain tumor called glioblastoma multiforme, that the people on the ketogenic diet had a significantly lower recurrence rate than the people who were off the diet. Yeah. Any thoughts on that or any thoughts on the study or other studies related, previous ones with this? 语法解析
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Yeah, well, I think that one of the conditions within cancer that we have the most data around the ketogenic diet is glioblastoma multiforme. And so this study basically showed that patients who… 语法解析
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ate a ketogenic diet had a longer median survival than the patients who were eating kind of more standard diet. And there are other studies. So this is not the only one. There's also another one that's in progress at USC who basically they're using a ketogenic diet during chemotherapy to basically, um, 语法解析
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show the benefits of doing a ketogenic diet during therapy. But yeah, this is the one disease condition where you have a very short median survival for GBM. It's less than 12 months typically. And basically, you know, 语法解析
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People who are really motivated right so it's a it's it's got a condition with a poor prognosis and then if people are motivated that There's been these small they're all small studies but showing that there's a potential benefit that you're basically getting a slowing of disease progression by using a ketogenic diet and what's interesting about this is that this brings a 语法解析
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us to something that answers the question that you asked before. Is it the DNA mutation that is causing these problems or is it the chronic inflammation that maybe is causing the DNA damage? And when I interviewed Thomas Seyfried, one of the things that he said to me was that he really feels like 语法解析
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the DNA damage is secondary to the mitochondrial dysfunction. And if we go back to the mechanism of understanding cancer as a metabolic condition, the idea is that cancer, this comes from Otto Warburg, but that cancer primarily uses 语法解析
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fermentation as its form and metabolism. And when you do fermentation in the presence of oxygen, which cancer cells are, you know, you might say that there's a decreased oxygen environment, but generally they're doing fermentation in the presence of oxygen, which our bodies are not designed to do, right? We normally do fermentation 语法解析
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when we hit our lactic threshold and we're exercising or something and really pushing ourselves, but these cells are using it as its primary form of metabolism. And what he said was that when you're doing 语法解析
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this form of metabolism, it creates a lot of oxygen radicals when there's presence of oxygen. And so then those oxygen species, those free radicals then damage the DNA. And he believes that we're chasing the wrong problem, that the DNA damage is the effect of 语法解析
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of this metabolic dysfunction of cancer using fermentation as its primary energy source in the presence of oxygen. 语法解析
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Yeah, that's a great point. And could you speak for our audience the idea that this ketogenic diet, why is that a metabolically advantageous intervention for these cancer cells with disordered respiration? Why is that a benefit? Sure. So the concept is that cancer cells primarily use glucose as their fuel, because when we do 语法解析
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you know, what would be considered adaptive respiration, it is through oxidative phosphorylation, right? But that's normal healthy cells are doing that that have healthy mitochondria and adequate mitochondria. When we either have dysfunctional mitochondria or deficient mitochondria, the cells convert to doing fermentation or glycolysis. 语法解析
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And basically that the primary fuel source is glucose. And so the idea of a ketogenic diet is that we can actually lower levels of glucose through intake of food because our bodies are designed to do ketosis when we're fasting. 语法解析
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And so if you can leverage this and eat a diet that is high in fats and very low in carbohydrates, so the body converts from using glucose to using ketones, it's a way that we can survive. Our bodies are adaptively designed to do that. And now we've cut off 语法解析
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the primary fuel source for the cancer. You know, there's data that says that the cancer cells also use glutamine. So some, you know, Dr. Seyfried talks about press pulse therapy, where they're basically depriving of both glutamine and glucose, but glucose is the primary source. And this is where the idea of the ketogenic diet really came into play. And it started actually with the 语法解析
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epilepsy. They saw it, you know, working for epilepsy. And then Thomas Seyfried is really one of the early ones who started using this for cancer. 语法解析
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Yeah, and it's fascinating. Chris Palmer and Georgia Ede are now using ketogenic diets taken from epilepsy for mental illness, schizoaffective disorder, manic depressive disorder. And for some, not all patients, it works. And even now Alzheimer's disease, Dale Bredesen and Heather Sandison are using ketogenic diets for Alzheimer's. And again, not everyone responds, but it's amazing that anyone responds, you know, but 语法解析
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Back to your point about this one form of brain tumor, one form of brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme, has a short, poor prognosis. 语法解析
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And the people are very motivated. Is that why, and several studies are being done with ketogenic therapy with that. Do you think this will translate into other cancers other than GBM or is it something unique about glioblastoma multiforme? Yeah. 语法解析
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No, I mean, actually, there's been a study, like a feasibility and safety study with breast cancer and ketogenic diet. And then I think there's also at USC an ongoing trial about ketogenic diet and 语法解析
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Actually, maybe it's not at USC. I can't remember. I interviewed a radiation oncologist who was involved with this study, but basically they're looking at using ketogenic diet during radiation for breast cancer. And the feasibility safety study has already been completed. It's safe, but now they're looking at can you improve outcomes? I mean, I think the thing is this, with breast cancer, 语法解析
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the outcomes are pretty good. So then the number of patients that are needed and the size of the study and the length of follow-up is so long that it's hard to demonstrate efficacy where something like GBM, where you have such a short survival length, it's easier to show benefit. So I think that's why they use this particular disease, but I don't think there's something specifically different about GBM that makes it more conducive to using ketosis than other types of cancer. 语法解析
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Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. Then kind of going on from ketosis, then sort of the next level, another way to get into ketosis other than a ketogenic diet is actually to fast and stop eating altogether. As you said, then the body automatically begins – 语法解析
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utilizing fat burning, which produces ketones and you go into ketosis. So you've been looking at 语法解析
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Not not just ketogenic diets, but actually fasting as as cancer treatments or adjunctive treatments. And we should say that just backing up the ketogenic diet is the great thing about it is there's very little downside in it. Like nobody says, oh, don't do a ketogenic diet because you're going to have a heart attack or whatever. 语法解析
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educated people know that there's very little downside. So it could be added on to an existing cancer treatment and not screw things up, so to speak. And that's a real plus. So what now about moving on to fasting? So talk about fasting and how does this play into cancer therapy? And what are the, you know, if cancer, 语法解析
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ketogenic diets work great. Why bother fasting or what are the trade-offs there? Sure. Well, and actually Thomas Seyfried would say the way that he recommends people to get into ketosis and to start their ketogenic diet is to do a 72-hour fast because it's one of the fastest ways that you can 语法解析
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get into ketosis. But there are studies around fasting. And what's interesting is when you talk about fasting, there's so many different types of fasting, right? So there's intermittent fasting, time restricted. Then there's like a 24-hour fast, 36-hour fast, 72-hour fast. And then there's prolonged water fasting. And all of those have different benefits. And there's actually benefits… 语法解析
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in all types of fasting for healing cancer because our bodies, in addition to getting into ketosis, 语法解析
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and cutting off the fuel supply of glucose for the cancer, there is also the repair aspect that when we are eating, we are basically causing inflammation within the body and the body is not able to as effectively repair. So if we want repair to be happening, we want to limit our feeding windows, right? So just like intermittent fasting is beneficial from that standpoint for someone with cancer, because then you're having periods of repair. 语法解析
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But there are studies of looking at shorter fasts, like so from… 语法解析
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or 48 to 72 hours, or I guess actually there's couples different studies. One from Dr. Walter Longo in cell metabolism in 2014, it looked at 48 to 72 hour fast for people who were getting chemotherapy. And basically it showed reduced, and this is a cell metasal, so this is not a clinical trial. The next one I'm gonna talk about is a clinical trial, but basically they looked at sensitization of 语法解析
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to chemotherapy with fasting, and they found that it reduced tumor growth in models for breast cancer, melanoma, and glioma. It lowers glucose, which we know is the fuel source for the cancer. It also lowers IGF. 语法解析
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And it basically helps protect the healthy cells from the damage related to the chemotherapy. And so basically, this was like one of the early studies that was done looking at the potential of fasting with chemotherapy. And then there was a clinical trial by Dorf et al in 2016 and looked at testing shorter fast 24 to 72 hours around chemotherapy for breast and 语法解析
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ovarian and lung cancers and they showed reduced side effects, improved quality of life with some evidence of enhanced tumor cell death, although hard to know like clinical results just on that study. So there's some studies there looking at benefits of shorter, like, you know, or I guess you would say longer than just like the time restricted each day, like 24 to 72 hour fast with chemo. And so for people who are having chemo, 语法解析
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there can definitely be a benefit of fasting around that for both maybe enhancement of the tumor response to the chemotherapy and also diminished side effects related to treatment. But 语法解析
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In my practice, what has really opened up for me and really, I was not intentionally looking for this. I was not intentionally heading out into the prolonged water fasting space. But that is where I found myself because I have a mentor. 语法解析
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who teaches healing in ancient ways. And he had told me, and a big part of my practice is around water because we are bodies of water, right? 99.9% of our molecules in our body are water, and then we're 70% water by volume. 语法解析
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And he basically explained to me, you know, in ancient times, they would do prolonged water fasting and prolonged water fasting, like at least nine days will get you some shrinkage of tumors. And if you go out 30 or up to 40 days, but at least 30 days, you can make cancer go away completely. And when I first heard this, I thought he was crazy. I thought this is just crazy. 语法解析
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how could someone go nine days? And then when he said 30 days, I just was like, this just seems totally like undoable. I just didn't even know that that was a thing. But I had one client do a 17 day water fast and she had breast cancer that had spread to her brain. It was her two new positive, which is a type of breast cancer that's a little bit more aggressive and tends to spread to the brain. 语法解析
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And she had radiosurgery, which as a radiologist, you're probably aware of this, but when you give radiosurgery into a brain tumor, what happens is that on the scan at three months after, you actually see that things are a little bit bigger. There's maybe a little bit of inflammation and swelling and then some necrosis or dead tissue around where the tumor is. 语法解析
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And then over time, you'll start to see things go down in size, but it never goes away completely. So if you were to see someone who had radiosurgery, the three-month scan, the area would look a little bit bigger and actually there'd be this like kind of dead tissue around it and then it would get smaller over time but never go away. 语法解析
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And what happened with this client was she did a 17 day water fast. We did a lot of other things. So we changed her diet. We, you know, did some emotional work as well. But the big thing was the water fast. And when she had her three month scan and she went in to see the neurosurgeon, the neurosurgeon was totally confused because he's like, it's gone. 语法解析
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And she was like, well, it's supposed to be gone, right? And he said, no, you don't understand. Like, that's not what radiative surgery does. Like, it doesn't go away. But I can send you these images side by side of her brain MRI. She had clearly a tumor. And then the next scan, it's completely clean. There's no necrosis. There is literally no residual of any kind of tumor. And now she's a year out, had just had her MRI at a year and still totally clear. 语法解析
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So that was my first experience of this where my mind was kind of blown. And then my second client who did a 14 day water fast, she had metastatic breast cancer, but she had breast cancer come back in the breast and they were recommending a mastectomy. And so I said to her, I said, well, if it's stage four, 语法解析
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why do they want to do a mastectomy? You know, I mean, it's not going to cure you of the cancer and it's a pretty radical surgery for your body. And so I asked her, her surgeon would give her a couple months to, you know, do some things and we could work on it. So she did a 14-day water fast. Again, we changed her diet. We did emotional work as well. And when she went back in to get her mammogram for pre-op for the surgery, it was gone. 语法解析
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And she didn't require a mastectomy. So those were my first two patients that did water fasting and it caught my attention. I was like, okay, I'm paying attention. And so then I started looking around, okay, who's doing this? You know, what's the data? And really most of the data comes out of the work of Dr. Alan Goldhammer, who is affiliate, he founded True North Fasting Center in Northern California. 语法解析
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And they have case reports. So they are not fasting for cancer. And they are fasting for health and weight loss. And they're plant-based. So they have some case reports, though, of people who had particularly there's some lymphoma case reports of showing lymphoma going away after 21-day water fast. And then they also have safety studies. So they've fasted 25,000 people, water-only fast. 语法解析
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over many years. And so they have a lot of studies around safety. There was a study published in the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine showing it was 2015 that they had like 768 patients who averaged at least 10 days of water fasting and that it's safe to do this. 语法解析
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So what I started to do initially was I was like, okay, well, fasting is not my thing. So I'm going to refer to these other centers that do water fasting because I'm seeing the benefits. But this was not really my area of expertise initially. But the problem was when I sent them to these facilities, most of them are plant based diets. So there are no oils, no salt and plant based, lots of fruits, lots of legumes. 语法解析
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All of which are not good for someone with cancer. And so they would fast, but then they would refeed on like fruit juices and rice and beans. And I just was like, this is not right. 语法解析
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So that's actually what then led me into now looking at, okay, how do I create a fasting program, prolonged water fasting for people who are healing cancer that refeeds them in a way that is appropriate for them and basically, you know, helping their microbiome, you know, after you've reset it, we don't want to give a bunch of fruit juices to 语法解析
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you know, to feed those bacteria. So anyway, that's what led me into this. And then I can talk about, okay, what happens? Why is water fasting so special for cancer? What's happening there? But that's really what led me into it. No. Yeah. I'd love to get more into that because just for our audience, if we're, if we're comparing a ketogenic diet versus water fasting, um, 语法解析
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a ketogenic diet or you even starting with a low carb diet and then the lower and lower carb it becomes a ketogenic diet. This is, it requires commitment by the patient. I mean, you know, you substitute steak instead of milkshake or something like that, but it's more easily accessible. I think it requires a lower level of commitment than a water fast. 语法解析
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the water fast you're all in right it's every day water fast and um so the question i guess i would ask is then we know the ketogenic diet um at least there's there's some preliminary evidence and and there's theoretical evidence of the benefits for cancer and in some of these early studies like with glioblastoma multiforme and and others that are coming out showing the benefits of ketosis 语法解析
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So what evidence is there on the fasting that could we just achieve that same thing with just going on to a well-regulated ketogenic diet? Or what's the additional benefit of the water fast? And maybe we'll be getting into this because it's almost a spiritual journey. You know, if you're water fasting, you're going to change the way you think about things because every day you're going to be thinking about that. Whereas a ketogenic diet is… 语法解析
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I've been doing it for years and you get used to it after a while and it's not a big commitment as a fast is. A fast is almost a spiritual quest and that may be a role anyway. So pick any of the above. Yeah. Well, so the way that, I mean, I think it all goes hand in hand because 语法解析
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If I do a water fast, I'm then resetting someone, helping them reset their microbiome, helping them reset themselves metabolically. And so then the diet that we refeed them on and then have them moving forward is really important. So, and I don't specifically, you know, 语法解析
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say ketogenic because in the cancer space, therapeutic ketosis is very strict criteria of a glucose less than 65, a ketones greater than four, a GKI less than two. That is hard for people to maintain long-term. And I don't know actually if that level of ketosis long-term is super healthy for our bodies. Of course, we're designed to be in ketosis, but that specific definition is very strict to be able to achieve those constraints. But 语法解析
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The thing that I see different as a ketogenic diet from water fasting is that ketogenic diet cuts off the fuel supply and it can kind of stop cancer in its tracks. So it's a good way to stop things or to slow things down. 语法解析
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What is so interesting about a prolonged water fast, so I'm not talking about a short water fast of like up to like 72 hours. I'm talking about when we get out to like nine days, you know, 14 days, 21 days, 30 days, 语法解析
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What happens is that once you get to about six or seven days, the body recognizes there is no food coming in and it prioritizes disease tissue and foreign proteins to use as its fuel because it wants to protect its vital organs. 语法解析
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right? It's not going to go after the brain. It's not going to go after the heart. You are going to lose some lean muscle mass, but your body is going to preferentially start to use the tissues that are diseased in the body for fuel. And so what happens is, is that once you get into that level of autophagy, 语法解析
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the body actually is healing itself by eating the disease tissue, which is very different than just a ketogenic diet, which is holding things at bay. And that's really what I'm seeing. And you need to get at least to, that's why my mentor said nine days at least for cancer, because it takes to about six to seven days, depending on the person to get into that level of autophagy where we start to eat the disease tissue. 语法解析
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And the further out you get, the more potential benefit that you have there. And, you know, I, when I first started fasting, you know, that's why my first client was 17 and 14 days. Cause honestly, I was nervous. I was like, I don't, I mean, 30 days just sounds, it just sounded crazy to me. But now that I'm doing it, 语法解析
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What I see is that our bodies are really designed to do this, right? Like this is, you know, in all the ancient religions and ancient texts, they talk about fasting. Jesus went into the desert for 40 days. You know, Buddha sat under the tree. It's like we're designed to do this. And it's really incredible because, you know, one thing that people say, oh, with cancer, you know, people are underweight. You don't want them losing weight. 语法解析
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But even people who are maybe what you would consider thin can do this. Like I just had a client who she started at 135 and 5'6“ and she did 30 days. 语法解析
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And yes, her weight came down low into like the, you know, 104, I think. But what's interesting is they gain it back. So every person that I've fasted has gained it back within four to six weeks, like within five pounds of what they started as. Now, if someone wants to lose weight, they can keep it off, right? But most of my clients are not, you know, 语法解析
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if they're doing these low carbohydrate diets, sometimes the weight, keeping the weight on is hard. And so they're worried about, you know, losing too much weight. So I think the real difference between ketogenic diet is like, you're holding things back, you're reducing the inflammation, you're helping from causing additional, you know, problems from inflammation in the body, but you're not really healing that cancer. Water fasting is a way that allows your body to heal the cancer and get rid of those cells. 语法解析
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Yeah. And all cancers are similar in the sense they have unregulated cell growth and the tendency to metastasize and, you know, the various hallmarks of them. But also cancers are also very different, you know, different cell types and everything. Do you think this this strategy applies to all cancers equally or there are certain types that are more would more benefit from a water fasting approach? 语法解析
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Well, I do think that there's probably variable… 语法解析
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response rates and there are things so you know what's interesting though is because they're not a lot of people doing this for cancer we don't have a lot of data right so it's a lot of case reports but you know at True North they'll say you know cancers that are really fast growing you don't want to use something like water fasting because maybe you don't have time to do that I don't know if that's true and then there's some you know uh 语法解析
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Like I've heard some people say in some spaces, like maybe with triple negative breast cancer, there's not the same response. But the truth is, is that I've fasted people with triple negative breast cancer and had a response. So I think there's not enough data at this point for us to say from different standpoints, you know, whether there's a benefit. And I think also, again, 语法解析
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like leukemias fall into a different category than solid tumors. So I don't know what to say about something like a leukemia, whether or not there would be benefit fasting because my practice is really around solid tumors. And so I don't have enough experience in that space to say it, but I think that, you know, this is one of the things I'm collecting data on all of this because there's nobody else doing it in this way specifically for cancer. 语法解析
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Yeah, and I realize if the field is really evolving and this is very, very early work, you've mentioned different timeframes, like your mentor was saying, oh, you got to do at least nine days. You mentioned somebody did 30 days, somebody did 17 or something. How do you decide how long a given patient is? Is it different lengths for different cancer or the state of their cancer or what goes into that process? 语法解析
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Yeah, so my practice is really varied because I have people who are doing conventional chemotherapy and then they have me helping with other aspects like the diet and emotions and looking at root cause. And then I have people who don't want to do any of those things and want to heal 100% naturally. If someone is wanting to heal in a natural way, 语法解析
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I would say you go as long as you can. I would get someone as close to 30 days as I could. I think that you need that if you're really trying to heal it naturally without conventional therapy. But I have quite a few people who maybe they've done chemotherapy and then they want to detox their body and they want to clean themselves out and also heal. 语法解析
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you know get any last cells that may be left behind after they've had conventional therapy and then i might do like 14 days you know to like really clean them out but they don't have to go all the way out to 30. so and some of it also is dependent on they need to rest when they fast like 语法解析
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You if you don't rest then you're just starving. So we we need to get them into a rested state, which means they're not working. They're not driving. They're not riding in a car going anywhere. There may be walking in their yard, but they're not going on walks. They're really resting for this period. 语法解析
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And that determines how long a lot of people can fast because can they get out of work and you have to be out of work, the duration of the fast, plus half of the time of the fast in refeeding so if you take a 30 day water fast, the refeeding period is like two weeks. 语法解析
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So that would require six weeks. You might be able to go back to work after like, you know, 10 days of refeeding or something, but basically you have the time of the fast plus the refeeding. And that really, you know, for a lot of people realistically is hard to take that time off and rest. And what does that look like for someone? Cause it's, it's really a big commitment time-wise now and, and, and just lifestyle wise making it happen. Um, 语法解析
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What does that look like as far as and how do you support them in your program on the spiritual side? I mean, if someone's going to I mean, think about it. If someone stops working for two weeks and they don't they don't exercise, they don't go on walks, they they just sit. I mean, that's a lot of Netflix, right? Or what do you? 语法解析
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What do you recommend? What is the program on the spiritual side? Because I know you're really dialed into that. And that seems like that could be a big lever in this is maybe even as important as the fasting itself. You know, it's a chance for a true spiritual awakening. What do they do in this process then? Yeah, well, it is really it's fasting from life, you know, so I have them off screens regularly. 语法解析
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They can have two hours of screen time per day, but generally I tell them to get off social media altogether, make it a social media fast. And if they do watch things, it's like comedy or something that's light, nothing that's really heavy while they're fasting. So they can have two hours of screen time. I do encourage them to do a little bit of rebounding. So many of my clients will have a little rebounder, like one of those trampolines, 语法解析
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And they can just hold on to like a counter next to it or some of them have like a railing so that they're getting that lymphatic movement. So I do have them moving every day. They do stretching. If they have a rebounder, they'll use the rebounder. They'll do dry brushing because as you have… 语法解析
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you know, the body starts detoxing the toxins because the toxins are stored in our fats. Basically you want to move that, right? So they're, you know, but the activities that they're doing are very gentle. They're, you know, sitting in coloring, they're reading, they're, you know, journaling, spending a lot of time just like sitting and in quiet, you know, and it's uncomfortable because, you 语法解析
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Because we're so used to being busy and actually that's one of the things that I found most surprising for people is that the hardest part is the doing nothing. They're like, “Well, tell me how to organize my day around doing nothing.” And I was like, “No, this is part of the challenge for you is just to like actually be comfortable doing nothing and not having me have to tell you what that looks like.” 语法解析
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I was doing this individually, like I would fast people individually, but because it's grown and then also I had my full practice, I was like, I need to find a way to do this where I could condense the time. And so I started doing it as a group. So at noon every day, that's my call where all of the fasters get on and I check in with them. And doing it in a group has been a huge game changer to take people who are healing and 语法解析
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their body naturally and willing to go to the extremes of doing a prolonged water fast, bringing them together has been just really profound and so beautiful because the 语法解析
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The things are common that come up like between, you know, the first three days are hard because they're just hungry. Once they get past the first three days, then on day four, they start detoxing, right? Because once you go into ketosis, we start dumping fat. And when you dump fat, you're basically dumping the toxins from the fat into your bloodstream and it causes physical symptoms like pain, back pain, low back pain, legs, hips. 语法解析
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Anything that you maybe have an area of arthritis, all of those things start hurting from day four to day seven. And when they have each other, they're like, oh, it's going to be fine. You're going to get past that because we have people, like right now I have 语法解析
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In my group, I have two who are on day six of refeeding after a 30-day fast. And then I have someone who just started today on her first day. And then I have people at 21 days and 14 days. So we've got this full spectrum. And when they get to see other people at other phases and then hearing how they've made it through it, 语法解析
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If there's a sense of safety and a sense of like real camaraderie and community and they they're rooting for each other. And when one has a hard day, cause it's like a roller coaster, you know, you feel terrible one day and the next day. And when I say terrible, it's mostly emotional. Like they'll feel like just emotionally hurt. 语法解析
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exhausted, or maybe they didn't sleep because that's another detoxing symptom. And so, you know, when they're down, the other people are up. And so they kind of buoy each other, which has just been beautiful. And then they, you know, they share with each other. And the spiritual aspect of it has been a real surprise for me because I didn't start doing this 语法解析
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to help them have a spiritual awakening. Although I know that consciousness plays into healing because that's like the foundation of my practice is that healing comes from higher consciousness and the things that are happening are, you know, really surprising and beautiful. Like, 语法解析
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you know, people in the group waking up in the middle of the night and hearing a voice say, get a pen. And then they go get a pen and they write down this message that's like literally words from God, like for them or for the group. And, you know, just the other day, one of the clients, you know, she was not at all someone who would be getting messages or anything. She started out the fast, really afraid, like fear was her biggest thing related to her cancer. And then she's been getting these beautiful messages. And then 语法解析
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Just last week, I had another woman join the fasting group and she was grieving because her husband had died about six months ago. And the one woman was like, your husband came to me last night and he told her like all these things and he told her that she needed to go look in this drawer for something and 语法解析
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And sure enough, the other client found that in this drawer, the thing that he was talking about. And just, I mean, I didn't go in thinking this was going to happen, but it just has been really unbelievable, the spiritual awakenings and connections that are happening with the group. It's been just such a privilege for me to participate in and hold the container for them. 语法解析
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Yeah, I mean, it seems like you're doing I mean, you're doing so many great things. It seems like an opportunity to really expand that spiritual process, you know, through. I mean, I've talked before about this on the podcast. I attended a like a meditation retreat down in Mexico with a guy, Joe Dispenza, who does these. 语法解析
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deep meditation things, but it was seven days and it was like 12 hours a day and we're meditating all the time, but you got into very deep places, but it's almost like your program would really fit nicely as you develop it more and more and get with a, with an intensive spiritual journey, meditation journey that while they're sitting there for all day long and they're not going to work, they're not looking at their screens and, 语法解析
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Or even things to read, you know, like, okay, we're going to read this. But it's so exciting what you're doing. It's so many possibilities. And this can be done from anywhere in the world, right? Correct. To be clear, they don't have to travel to you to do it. No, it's remote. 语法解析
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And do they get blood work done? Is that, will they have to, they'll have to, you'll help them get access to that? And how often do they do blood work or that sort of thing? Yeah, so they do blood work once a week. 语法解析
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And unless and then if there's anything like electrolyte imbalances or something, we might check more often, but usually once a week. And then they're checking their vitals every day. And you know, then I go over those with them. But yeah, that's basically vitals every day. And then lab work once a week. 语法解析
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Oh, yeah. And what is the cost of ballpark? Because this is not covered by insurance, right? This is by, it's out of pocket, a cash expense. Yeah. And that, yeah. How affordable is it or is it comparable to other programs? Yeah. So it's $700 a week, which is comparable to other fasting. It's cheaper than an in- 语法解析
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like an in-house fasting where you're paying for lodging and stuff, but it's $700 a week. And that includes the supervision through me with the group calls. But then we also have a nutritionist and chef who is teaching them how to eat after the fast. So we're basically, and then we have, you know, 语法解析
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you know, someone who comes in and does visualizations with them. I have a mindset coach who's working with them. I have a meditation instructor who trained with Dr. Joe, who does meditations with them. So we're doing all of those things. And actually most of the other programs are not doing those things. And we're really focused on healing. So all of the 语法解析
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people, all of these, you know, different experts that I have coming in are really teaching them about how do you heal cancer specifically, you know, in a holistic way. So yeah, that's… 语法解析
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Sorry, go ahead. No, you're okay. And you mentioned other programs with fasting, but they don't specifically deal with cancer. And many of them are plant-based and that brings issues when refeeding with a plant-based diet will be high carb and other things that would not necessarily be beneficial to a cancer patient. So yours is sort of unique that way. And 语法解析
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And maybe lastly, we talked a little bit offline too about the idea that what people can experience from a spiritual journey as well as a medical journey like this is that 语法解析
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That everybody, it was such a beautiful point. I just wanted to bring it back and maybe you could speak to it. It was something along the lines of that everyone has the potential to heal themselves through this process. You know, they may or may not 语法解析
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be cured of their cancer, but everyone can heal. And that's something that Western medicine doesn't necessarily look at all the time. It's either a win-lose game. Oh, the Mets came back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But your process is a healing process that it sounds like 语法解析
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everyone potentially will benefit from and they may help their cancer too in the process. Yeah, exactly. Well, and that's one of the things that I think is so beautiful about this process is that, you know, before I gave radiation and, you know, if I harmed someone, there was a lot of risks associated, right? So there's potential benefit of that treatment, but then there's also these risks of the toxicity. And the one beautiful thing about water fasting is that 语法解析
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when it's done supervised. And it is, I think, I just want to say that one thing is for people to know this is not safe to do on your own. So there's a quote by Socrates that says, any fool can fast, but only the wise man can break a fast. And that's because refeeding is the most dangerous part of a prolonged water fast. If you go past five days, there's this risk of refeeding syndrome, which can cause all 语法解析
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all kinds of very catastrophic events and they're related to electrolyte shifts intracellularly from extracellular to intracellular when you start introducing food. So if you don't know how to do this, you can get yourself into big trouble really fast. So I just want to say that, but as long as you're doing it with someone who knows how to refeed properly and you're supervised properly, 语法解析
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water fasting is like a win-win. I mean, the goal is to make the cancer go away, to have the body use autophagy to heal the cancer and use that diseased tissue as fuel. But even if that doesn't happen, you've now reset the microbiome, you've reset the body metabolically, you've cleaned out the toxins, right? So lifetimes of toxins are stored in our fats. 语法解析
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So it's a huge benefit to detox those physical toxins. And then the other thing that happens is that you have emotional release. And so emotional toxins, things that have been stored in our body. And so a fasting is such a beautiful way to reset our body back to the way that it was designed and clear ourselves out. And this is not just beneficial for cancer. So, I mean, this is one of the things that I'm working on right now is I'm 语法解析
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This summer, I'm going to do at least 14 days myself because I'm watching this and just 语法解析
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absolutely taken with what our bodies can do and the beauty that can be created. And, and I'm not sick. So I know that there's beneficial or benefits for anyone to do this, but specifically with cancer, if the cancer doesn't go away, the person is going to be better off from having had this experience. And that's really what I'm hearing from the clients is they're like, I could have never imagined what this was going to bring for me. And just also the, 语法解析
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you're really motivated to get your products clean, to eat well after you've done this work to clean yourself out. So people are motivated and then it's easier to go into eating well because all of those cravings that come from the bacteria in your gut that are craving the sugar and stuff, that all goes away if you get rid of them. 语法解析
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right and then we teach them how to eat fermented foods and the things replenish their microbiome with things that naturally occur and the things were naturally designed to eat so um i think it's like nothing but a win you know and that's that's really why i dove head in head first into this is because absolutely there's so much healing that happens in addition to what can happen with the cancer 语法解析
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Yeah, that's such a great concept about doing this for people without cancer as a spiritual journey, like you're doing yourself resetting for 14 days. Maybe we can do an episode of this podcast in the middle of your 14-day thing if you'll grant us 45 minutes of your precious screen time for that day. I'd love it. We could talk more about that and the idea of… 语法解析
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Yeah, making it available to everybody, not just cancer patients, but of course, cancer patients are special and they have a lot to gain from this. Well, Katie, this has been so much fun. Is there anything we didn't talk about today that you wanted to get into this episode? No, I think we covered a lot of ground. So thank you so much for talking to me about this. 语法解析
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This is great. Maybe share it with people again. We'll put it in the show notes. Again, the best way for people to reach you and find out more about your program. So my website is katiedemming.com. Well, that's easy. And I'm on social media, katiedemmingmd. So you can find me on all the platforms. 语法解析
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