@Georgie Collinson : 我从个人经验出发研究焦虑，最初尝试通过饮食和补充剂控制焦虑，后转向自然疗法和营养学，并专注于焦虑治疗。我发现人们常误解焦虑，试图逃避而非直面，而焦虑实则为身体提醒我们关注生活失衡的信号。

与焦虑治疗师兼自然疗法医生Georgie Collinson的对话，深入探讨了焦虑的复杂性及其与身心健康和环境因素的多方面关联。 Georgie的经历，从最初试图通过严格的饮食和补剂控制焦虑，到最终专注于自然疗法和营养学，为理解焦虑提供了独特的视角。

焦虑并非敌人，而是身体的警报信号。 许多人误以为焦虑是需要逃避或压抑的东西，试图通过转移注意力来摆脱它。Georgie指出，这种做法反而会加剧焦虑，因为焦虑本身是身体在提醒我们生活中的某些方面失衡了。这失衡可能源于身体（睡眠不足、肠道问题、激素失调等），也可能源于心理和社会层面（人际关系紧张、工作压力过大等）。 倾听焦虑的声音，才能找到解决问题的关键。

肠道健康与焦虑的紧密联系不容忽视。 Georgie经常遇到肠道问题（如肠易激综合征、小肠细菌过度生长）与焦虑同时出现的案例。肠道健康会影响迷走神经和大脑中的化学物质平衡，进而影响情绪。即使没有明显的肠道症状，也需要积极维护肠道健康，例如摄入富含谷氨酰胺的食物（如骨汤）和益生菌。虽然心理益生菌的研究令人兴奋，但Georgie强调，焦虑是多因素的，单一方法难以奏效，需要综合考虑。

人际关系是焦虑的深层根源。 童年经历和人际互动模式深刻影响着我们的安全感和焦虑程度。许多焦虑源于根深蒂固的负面自我认知，例如“我不够好”、“我没有发言权”等，这些认知往往源于童年时期与重要人物的互动。克服内在批评的关键在于识别其来源，通过潜意识工作来改变这些负面认知。 这需要深入探索过去的创伤和记忆，重新解读这些经历，从而获得安全感和自我接纳。

社交焦虑：隐藏在面具背后的疲惫。 社交焦虑非常普遍，表现为在社交场合中内心充满自我批评和负面想法，即使表面上表现得落落大方，内心却承受着巨大的压力和疲惫。Georgie分享了帮助客户克服社交焦虑的方法，包括识别并挑战内在批评的声音，以及通过潜意识工作来改变根深蒂固的负面信念。

全面的治疗方法：从快速改善到深层疗愈。 Georgie的治疗方法包含多个层面：首先，通过一些快速改善措施，例如调整饮食（避免过量咖啡因，控制血糖）、保证充足睡眠等，来迅速缓解焦虑症状；其次，通过深入探索潜意识，挖掘童年经历和创伤等深层原因；最后，进行整体身心健康调理，包括补充营养（例如镁、铁、碘等）、适当运动以及情绪疏导等。

睡眠不足、营养缺乏和环境毒素都会加剧焦虑。 睡眠不足会使大脑处于高度警觉状态，形成恶性循环；缺铁和缺碘会影响大脑的血流、营养物质的输送和废物的清除，以及神经递质的合成；甲状腺功能异常（甲亢和甲减）都与情绪障碍有关；霉菌暴露也会加剧焦虑，尤其对于免疫系统敏感的人群。

成功的案例：重建身体和心灵的信任。 Georgie分享了两个成功的案例，都强调了身心健康综合调理的重要性。一个案例是通过治疗肠道问题（SIBO）和情绪疏导，帮助一位女性克服了肠易激综合征和焦虑；另一个案例是通过补充剂、肠道健康调理和情绪疏导，帮助一位患有子宫内膜异位症和焦虑的新妈妈缓解了症状，甚至治愈了子宫内膜异位症的疼痛。这些案例都证明了，治疗师与患者之间的良好关系，以及对身心健康的全面关注，对治疗焦虑至关重要。

孤独感：现代社会的隐形杀手。 Georgie指出，孤独感是现代社会普遍存在的问题，与焦虑密切相关，并会加剧炎症反应。应对孤独感和社交焦虑，需要采取积极的策略，例如：承认孤独感是正常的、寻求与值得信赖的人进行情感交流、进行面对面互动以及加入社团等。即使是简单的举动，例如在咖啡馆工作，也能帮助我们感受与他人的连接，从而缓解孤独感。

Georgie的经验和见解，为我们理解和战胜焦虑提供了宝贵的参考。 她强调，焦虑并非不可战胜，通过对自身身心状况的全面关注，以及积极寻求帮助和支持，我们能够更好地管理焦虑，重建身心健康和生活平衡。

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04:25 我对焦虑的研究源于我自身的经历，最初试图通过完美的饮食和补充剂来控制焦虑，这促使我学习自然疗法和营养学，并最终专注于焦虑治疗。

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05:07 人们普遍误解焦虑，认为应该通过转移注意力来逃避焦虑感，但这实际上会加剧焦虑，因为焦虑是身体提醒我们去关注和解决生活失衡问题的信号。

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06:50 肠道健康与焦虑之间存在密切联系，肠道问题（如肠易激综合征、小肠细菌过度生长）会影响迷走神经和大脑化学物质平衡，从而加剧焦虑。即使没有明显的肠道症状，也需要关注肠道健康。

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09:31 焦虑是多因素的，心理益生菌等方法可能有效，但需要综合考虑，包括人际关系、工作环境等因素。

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10:19 人际关系是焦虑的重要根源，童年经历和人际互动模式会影响成年后的安全感和焦虑程度。

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14:37 社交焦虑很常见，表现为在社交场合中内心充满自我批评和负面想法，即使表面上表现正常，内心也会感到压力和疲惫。

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18:52 克服内在批评的关键在于识别其来源，追溯到童年经历中形成负面自我认知的特定人物或事件，并通过潜意识工作来改变这些认知。

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26:03 治疗焦虑的步骤包括：快速改善措施（饮食、睡眠、咖啡因摄入等）、潜意识探索（童年经历、创伤等）以及整体身心健康调理。

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28:23 睡眠不足会加剧焦虑，导致大脑处于高度警觉状态，形成恶性循环。

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29:20 任何形式的运动都比不运动好，运动可以帮助释放焦虑中的身体能量，但需根据个人情况（如多囊卵巢综合征）调整运动强度和类型。

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32:05 缺铁和缺碘都可能导致情绪障碍，因为会影响大脑的血流、营养物质的输送和废物的清除，以及神经递质的合成。

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33:57 甲状腺功能异常（甲亢和甲减）都与情绪障碍有关，甲减与脑雾、情绪低落等症状相关，甲亢与烦躁不安等症状相关。

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34:51 霉菌暴露与焦虑之间存在关联，尤其对于免疫系统敏感的人群。

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37:50 一个成功的案例是治疗一位患有肠易激综合征和焦虑的女性，通过治疗肠道问题（小肠细菌过度生长）和情绪疏导，她的症状得到显著改善，并重建了对自身身体的信任。

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40:58 另一个成功的案例是治疗一位患有子宫内膜异位症和焦虑的新妈妈，通过补充剂、肠道健康调理和情绪疏导，她的症状得到缓解，子宫内膜异位症的疼痛也消失了。

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42:50 治疗师与患者之间的关系在治疗过程中至关重要，良好的治疗关系可以增强患者的信任感和安全感，从而促进治疗效果。

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44:00 现代社会中普遍存在的孤独感与焦虑密切相关，缺乏人际互动会加剧炎症反应和身心健康问题。

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46:55 孤独感是现代社会普遍存在的问题，社交媒体既能促进联系，也能加剧孤独感。

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47:26 应对孤独感和社交焦虑的策略包括：承认孤独感是正常的、寻求与值得信赖的人进行情感交流、进行面对面互动（如在咖啡馆工作）以及加入社团等。

Edit:2025.05.07

介绍本期嘉宾Georgie Collinson，一位来自澳大利亚的焦虑治疗师和自然疗法医生（naturopath）。本期内容聚焦于焦虑这一主题。

03:59 - Georgie对焦虑的兴趣来源

问Georgie为何对焦虑这一主题如此着迷。Georgie分享，她的兴趣源于个人经历。她曾经历一段艰难时期，深受焦虑困扰，当时她试图通过完美饮食和补剂控制生活，以应对周围的混乱。这种控制欲促使她学习自然疗法和营养学。在学习过程中，每当涉及神经系统、压力和皮质醇等话题，她总是全神贯注，这激发了她对帮助焦虑患者的热情。

04:57 - 关于焦虑的常见误解

问Georgie关于焦虑的常见误解。Georgie指出，一个主要误解是人们认为应该分散注意力以逃避焦虑，试图摆脱或压抑它。然而，这种做法适得其反，只会让焦虑更强烈，因为焦虑是身体试图引起我们注意的信号。

焦虑提示我们在生理（如睡眠不足、肠道问题、激素失衡）或心理（如人际关系、边界问题、过度讨好他人）方面存在失衡。Georgie强调，焦虑不是需要逃避的东西，而是包含指引我们解决问题的信息。若能倾听并跟随其信号，焦虑可成为赋能生活的工具。

06:26 - 肠道健康与焦虑的关联

Georgie作为自然疗法医生对肠道研究的深入，问她近年在肠道健康与焦虑关联方面的发现。

Georgie表示，她常遇到有肠易激综合征（IBS）或小肠细菌过度生长（SIBO）的客户，这些问题常与焦虑并存。SIBO可能通过影响组胺水平导致腹胀，进而通过迷走神经影响大脑化学物质平衡。

即使没有明显症状（如腹胀或便秘），她仍建议关注肠道健康，因为环境和日常压力持续损害肠道。她推荐使用谷氨酰胺粉末、骨汤等滋养肠道的食物，以增强肠道屏障。

08:10 - 心理益生菌（Psychobiotics）

对心理益生菌（psychobiotics）这一新兴领域，Georgie表示，她知道有公司尝试开发针对焦虑和情绪的益生菌产品，但这些产品后来转向睡眠改善。她认为这一领域研究令人兴奋，但目前实际效果尚未完全转化为显著的临床改善。

她指出，焦虑是多因素问题，仅靠益生菌难以解决根本问题（如不良关系或工作压力）。虽然益生菌可能在整体健康中发挥作用，但并非“灵丹妙药”，需要结合全面的治疗策略。

10:04 - 常见的焦虑类型

问Georgie客户中最常见的焦虑类型。Georgie表示，关系焦虑和工作焦虑非常普遍。关系问题尤其关键，因为影响我们的神经系统安全感。她提到，个体的身份感和自我认知很大程度上在童年形成，受父母的反馈和强化影响。若童年经历导致不被支持、无发言权或不安全的信念，这些会在成年后引发焦虑。

她强调，“我不夠好”是每个人都有的核心伤痛，需通过探索童年经历和潜意识信念来解决。

11:30 - Lucas的个人故事

Lucas分享了一个与童年经历相关的故事，称Georgie提到“无发言权”触动了他的共鸣。他回忆在15-17岁踢足球时，遇到一位严格的教练，总是聚焦负面反馈，缺乏正面鼓励。在这一关键成长阶段，他学会压抑自己的真实感受，避免因顶嘴影响比赛机会。这种压抑塑造了他如今在商业和关系中的行为模式。

Georgie对此表示认同，指出Lucas通过播客和社交媒体找到了表达的渠道，创造了一种安全感。她强调，若不审视这些模式，焦虑会代我们“发声”，要求被听见。

14:09 - 社交焦虑的体验与应对

问关于社交焦虑的常见表现和应对方法。Georgie表示，社交焦虑非常普遍，澳大利亚统计显示，四分之一的人一生中会经历焦虑，而社交焦虑可能占比更高，因为常被掩饰。

社交焦虑者在社交场合（如派对）外表看似正常，但内心充满自我批评，如“你为什么这么说？你像个白痴”“没人喜欢你”“你该回家”。他们感到被评判，自我否定导致语言磕绊或信心不足，社交后极度疲惫。回家后，卸下“面具”才感到解脱。

Georgie解释，社交焦虑源于对真实自我的否定，认为自己不被爱或不值得友谊。应对方法包括：

• 识别批评声音的来源：意识到内心的批评并非真实的自我，而是童年权威人物（如父母、教练）的内化。
• 潜意识工作：通过深入潜意识，重新审视童年记忆，更新过时的信念。例如，帮助客户意识到他们不再是无力的孩子，而是有选择权的成人。
• 建立安全感：通过调整信念，增强神经系统的稳定性，让人在社交中感到更安全。

21:36 - 焦虑的能量消耗

Lucas分享他通过与治疗师探讨童年经历后，感到身体更轻盈、能量增加，因为焦虑的负性思维非常耗能。Georgie对此表示认同，指出焦虑不仅消耗心理能量，还影响生理状态，如皮质醇水平升高。她提到，释放情绪（如通过运动或健康宣泄）可调节神经系统，降低生物学压力。

她强调，补剂（如辅酶Q10、B族维生素、镁、牛磺酸、肌酸）可提升能量，但若不释放情感重担，效果有限。结合情绪疗愈和补剂是更全面的策略。

23:32 - 释放情绪的出口

Lucas提到墨尔本的Break Room，一个允许人们砸碎物品以释放情绪的场所。Georgie对此表示支持，认为现代人需要类似的宣泄出口，避免将愤怒转为暴力或内化。她指出，社会压力、个人挫折和全球不安需要通过尖叫、运动或悲伤表达来释放，以维持心理平衡。

24:52 - 路怒与情绪投射

提到路怒，反映了个人的内在痛苦。Georgie分享了她当天遇到的路怒事件，起初怀疑自己是否做错，但反思后认为对方的愤怒是其内在痛苦的投射。她建议以同理心回应，认识到愤怒者更需要关爱。

25:40 - 应对焦虑的框架

问Georgie如何为长期焦虑客户设计治疗框架。Georgie介绍她的分层方法：

1. 快速改善：从自然疗法角度评估饮食、睡眠和生活习惯。例如，确保三餐规律以稳定血糖，减少咖啡因摄入（因其刺激敏感的神经系统）。她强调，咖啡因虽有益，但对焦虑者可能加重症状，建议暂时停用以观察效果。
2. 深入潜意识：通过探索童年经历和潜意识信念，识别焦虑的根源，帮助客户更新过时的生存模式。
3. 全面评估：考虑生理（肠道、激素）、心理（关系、职业）和环境（毒素、压力）因素，制定个性化计划。

26:58 - 血糖与焦虑

提到血糖对焦虑的影响，请Georgie解释低血糖的生理机制。Georgie表示，低血糖会触发肾上腺素和皮质醇释放，诱发焦虑状态。例如，延迟午餐可能导致焦虑感，但这不是个人失败，而是身体提示失衡的信号。她鼓励将焦虑视为“爱的指引”，引导关注自我照顾。

28:05 - 睡眠不足与焦虑

问睡眠不足与焦虑的关联。Georgie确认，睡眠不足显著增加焦虑风险。睡眠不足使大脑进入高度警觉状态，以应对疲劳，类似“疲惫但亢奋”的体验。她提到，新手妈妈常因睡眠不足而出现产后焦虑，提示睡眠对情绪调节至关重要。

29:20 - 运动与焦虑

问哪种运动更适合缓解焦虑。Georgie建议，任何形式的运动都优于不动，尤其对焦虑者，信息过载可能让他们难以选择。她推荐从简单的10分钟散步开始，倾听身体需求。

焦虑时，身体（如腿部）常有躁动能量，反映战斗或逃跑反应。散步、跑步或跟随身体节奏的运动可释放这种能量。她也提到，需根据个体情况调整，例如多囊卵巢综合征（PCOS）患者应避免高强度运动，以免加重皮质醇和胰岛素问题。倾听身体比严格遵循科学建议更重要。

31:43 - 营养素缺乏与焦虑

问除镁外的营养素缺乏与焦虑的关联，特别提到缺铁。Georgie确认，缺铁可能通过以下机制影响情绪：

• 减少脑部血流，影响营养输送和废物清除，导致脑雾和认知混乱。
• 干扰神经递质（如多巴胺、血清素）合成，影响情绪调节。

她还提到缺碘，影响甲状腺功能，可能加重焦虑。健康意识高的人常避免碘强化面包和谷物，若不摄入海藻等食物，可能缺碘，尤其在高压力下。

33:44 - 甲状腺与情绪

Georgie提到甲状腺功能与情绪的关联。甲状腺功能减退（hypothyroidism）常导致脑雾、疲倦、低情绪；甲状腺功能亢进（hyperthyroidism）则引发烦躁、焦虑。Lucas分享自己偏向甲亢（低TSH、高T3），体验到烦躁和不安，印证甲状腺与焦虑的关联。

34:21 - 环境毒素与霉菌

问霉菌与焦虑的关联。Georgie表示，霉菌敏感者常有自身免疫疾病，表现出全身高敏感性。她分享，自己从干燥的墨尔本搬到潮湿的拜伦湾后，需使用除湿机防止衣物发霉。她指出，澳大利亚昆士兰、北新南威尔士等地霉菌问题普遍，可能加重焦虑，尤其对敏感人群。

她还提到环境毒素（如神经毒素、内分泌干扰物）无处不在（如收据、汽油、塑料包装），可能干扰甲状腺和整体健康。她建议平衡警惕与实际行动，通过健康肠道、出汗（如桑拿、运动）支持身体自然解毒。

37:21 - 客户成功案例

问Georgie是否有印象深刻的客户案例。Georgie分享了两则故事：

1. SIBO与焦虑：一位年轻女性因严重胃食管反流和焦虑求助，传统医疗仅针对症状开药，未解决问题。Georgie通过测试确诊SIBO，采用针对性协议，四周内症状显著改善。同时，她帮助客户处理家庭中的低自尊问题，提升自信和表达能力。症状缓解重建了客户对身体的信任，增强了安全感。
2. 子宫内膜异位症与情绪疗愈：一位新手妈妈患有子宫内膜异位症，伴随焦虑。Georgie使用NAC、鱼油等抗炎补剂，结合肠道健康计划，同时进行潜意识情绪疗愈，帮助客户面对童年的羞耻记忆。通过重新审视这些经历，客户的情绪负担减轻，子宫内膜异位症疼痛完全消失。Georgie认为，情绪疗愈是关键，补剂仅起辅助作用。

42:24 - 治疗关系的价值

提到治疗关系的重要性，Lucas分享他在父亲药房工作时，推荐维生素的疗效部分源于与客户的信任和关怀，而非产品本身。Georgie对此深表认同，回忆大学学习咨询课程时的启发。她指出，许多人童年缺乏父母的关注，成年后渴望被看见。治疗师通过倾听和关怀，满足了这一深层需求，促成了疗愈效果。

44:22 - 孤独与社会连接

提到现代社会的孤独流行病，Lucas分享他在公寓电梯中主动与老人打招呼，感受到小互动的温暖。Georgie表示，这些微小连接对双方都有益，缓解了孤独感。她指出，现代生活（如远程工作）减少了日常互动，过去一天可能有几十次自然交流，如今可能仅一两次。

她提到，孤独增加炎症，影响微生物群，疫情封闭期间的隔离进一步凸显了社交的重要性。Lucas猜测，许多听众可能经常感到孤独，Georgie对此表示认同，认为社交媒体既促进了全球连接，也加剧了隔离。

47:07 - 应对孤独与社交焦虑

问如何帮助同时面临孤独和社交焦虑的客户。Georgie建议：

1. 承认孤独的普遍性：孤独是人类共有的体验，不是孤立现象。童年可能让人学会隐藏情感，误以为无人理解。
2. 小步连接：无需立即参加大型聚会，可从与安全的人（如温暖的同事）分享感受开始。例如，回应“最近好吗？”时，诚实地说“我今天不太好”，创造脆弱的连接空间。
3. 融入人群：去咖啡馆工作，感受周围的活力，哪怕只是眼神交流也能带来归属感“
4. 长期目标：通过兴趣小组（如运动、艺术课程）建立更深的连接。分享真实感受可打破表面关系，满足深层需求。

她强调，迈出第一步虽难，但能显著提升情绪和社会感。

51:29 - Lucas的个人反思

Lucas分享，尽管生活在墨尔本港口区，拥有舒适的家庭办公室，他有时忽略去咖啡馆工作的益处。他喜欢固定的惯例，但意识到偶尔改变环境可缓解孤独。Georgie表示，在咖啡馆工作如同背景舒缓音乐，潜移默化地增强安全感，改善焦虑。

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What's up, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Boost Your Biology podcast. Today, I'm super excited as we have a slightly different guest joining me on the podcast. We actually have an anxiety therapist and also a naturopath who's also from Australia. So joining me on the podcast, we have Georgie Collinson. Georgie, welcome to the podcast. Hello, Lucas. It's great to be here. Awesome. Awesome. Georgie, I guess we can sort of start out. I mean, 语法解析

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This topic of anxiety, I want to get straight into it. First of all, what got you personally so fascinated with this particular subject? Well, like most people who really specialize in one specific area or condition, it was my personal lived experience. And, you know, it's funny when I really went through a hard time in my life with anxiety, I went into control mode and I wanted to 语法解析

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have the perfect diet and get all the supplements right. And I thought if I could just eat the perfect foods, then my life that was, you know, crumbling around me would 语法解析

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maybe could be more within my control. And that's actually what led me to study naturopathy and nutrition. But it was just every time we covered topics around the nervous system and stress and cortisol and anything like that, I was just all ears. So the passion went from there and I love helping people with anxiety. Awesome. 语法解析

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Georgie, what would you say are some of the common misconceptions that people have around anxiety? I would say… 语法解析

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Well, one common misconception is that we should just distract ourselves from the feeling of anxiety and that it's kind of something we need to get away from or get rid of. And unfortunately what happens, and this is why so many people get stuck in a cycle with it, is when we want to get away from it or distract or push it down, it actually gets louder because it's a part of us trying to get our attention. 语法解析

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and get us to turn inward and do something because there's something that's out of balance in our multiple areas of our lives. It could be our physical body. It could be that we're not getting enough sleep, for example. And so that anxiety is kind of calling to us to address these imbalances in our health. It could be a gut issue. It could be hormones. But it also could be that there is, you know, stuff we need to look at about boundaries and the way we're showing up with people and 语法解析

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Um, maybe we struggle to say no, and we're saying yes too much and just generally kind of off path in kind of who we really are at the core. We're trying to please everyone else. And, uh, that's where I see a lot of, a lot of this stemming from. So it's not something to distract away from. In fact, if we follow it, it's got a message for us that can really, really empower us in our lives. 语法解析

06:26

Yeah. Now, in terms of, I mean, you're a qualified naturopath as well, so you would have studied the gut extensively. I'd imagine you've been asked this question many, many times, but the correlation between gut health and anxiety, what have you come across over the past few years? Yeah. I mean, I very often will see clients, sometimes they'll have, you know, 语法解析

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long-term IBS issues that just haven't resolved. And maybe they've gone down a lot of pathways. I get a lot of SIBO coming in tandem with the anxiety because of the way partly it impacts histamine levels and we get bloating. And of course, all of that's having impact on our vagus nerve and the 语法解析

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the balance of chemicals in our brain too. So there's a lot of that interplay with the gut. I always recommend it, whether we've got overt symptoms or not. So if you've got bloating and, you know, maybe discomfort or obvious things going on, a lot of people with anxiety, they'll either have their bowel motions go right through them and we'll get too loose or we'll go the other direction and, and, and have constipation. But either way, either, 语法解析

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Even if we're not getting those overt symptoms, we still need to be taking care of our gut health. There's just too much in our environment and everyday stress that is constantly attacking our gut. So we kind of need to bulletproof ourselves up. And things like glutamine can be really helpful, taking a powdered supplement, but also just bone broth and bringing in the foods that are going to nourish and support our digestion. Yeah, there's definitely… 语法解析

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more and more research coming out around how like 语法解析

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gut health is linked to all sorts of mood disorders and a particular space that I'm actually really excited, excited about is this whole field of psychobiotics. I don't know if you've, have you come across that at all? Yes, I have. And I won't name the specific product, but I do know there was someone trying to produce a product that was specific for anxiety and mood, uh, that was meant to sort of elevate and support our mood and anxiety. Um, 语法解析

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And they've shifted it into more of a sleep, a sleep probiotic. And so I'm not sure quite how much, like it's such an exciting area of research, right? But I'm not sure how much it's translating yet into the physical effects of, oh, wow, I take this thing and now I actually feel better. Yeah. 语法解析

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And that could be for a multitude of reasons. I think one being that anxiety is multifactorial. You know, if you are in an abusive relationship, for example, and you're taking your happy like probiotic, it's just unfortunately not going to cut the mustard. So we need to look at the whole picture. I guess that's why, you know, I'm a naturopath, but I had to take that holistic perspective on anxiety even further to understand 语法解析

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not just our, our, the holistic approach with our body systems, but you know, our relationships, our jobs, like, do you hate your job? Do you feel like your boss is breathing down your neck? Like if we're in these situations, it can be really challenging to see some progress, but yeah, 语法解析

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Yeah. So I'm not seeing these probiotics, you know, yet at the level where, where we're seeing like a huge, this is the one magic pill kind of solution, but certainly it's exciting and there could be some benefits in the overall picture. 语法解析

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In terms of the common clients that you would see and like the typical complaints, you mentioned relationship anxiety, perhaps even work anxiety. Are these like the biggest two that you typically see? Well, our relationships… 语法解析

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really do form the basis of so much of our nervous system and how safe we feel within ourselves. And this goes into a whole other side of my work, which is working with the subconscious mind, working through past traumas, releasing emotions, things like that. And so much of who we've decided that we are, our identity, what we think is our personality is developed when we are 语法解析

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you know, young children, lots of it goes back to how, who we were told we are, you know, what our parents said to us, what they positively reinforced, what we weren't allowed to be. And so we use that as a basis of who we are later in life. And if that's 语法解析

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starting to feed ideas like I'm not fully supported or I don't have a voice, I can't be heard or I'm not safe in some way, I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough, which every single human being has that wound of I'm not good enough in some way. These are the things that we definitely also need to explore. You've struck a chord within me there, Georgie, when you said… 语法解析

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um like people sort of are in one of four categories like not feeling good enough and you mentioned like not having a voice then not having a voice aspect is probably a huge driver behind why i do a lot of the things that i do nowadays back when i was playing soccer um and i'm just going to share a quick little story that when i was when i was playing i used to um 语法解析

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I had a really, really intense coach. As you do, it's like you're coming up, you're trying to make it to a very high level. And I had a very intense, like really strict, like always focused on the negatives. It was always about how you could do better. It was minimal positive reinforcement. And this was at the age of like 15, 16, 17. So that's that critical period of your life where you're like extra sensitive. And I remember just… 语法解析

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I remember just feeling like I really wanted to retaliate and just sort of like my coach would say one thing, but I would keep my mouth shut because I know if I say something back, it's just going to ruin my chances of playing on the weekend or just leveling up sort of thing. So I had a lot of suppressed my ability to speak up on how I truly felt and like 语法解析

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I bottled up a lot and I reckon that has definitely shaped, um, 语法解析

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For sure, it's shaped the way that I go about things today in my business and even relationships as well. And how fantastic that you have a podcast and a social media platform, multiples that allow you to have that voice now, right? So these are probably some things that you've done in your life, Lucas, that have created a sense of safety because you're showing yourself, actually, I do have a voice now. But if we don't ever examine that and we… 语法解析

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just continue to play out those patterns, which many of us do without even knowing, then you're 语法解析

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What I like to say is that anxiety is eventually going to speak up for us, right? So there's a part of you that's not being heard that wants to be expressed. And if we're keeping that in out of fear, we'll do that and just continue playing out that pattern as adults with, you know, other people in our lives, whether those people are happy to hear what we have to say or not. We sort of have this part of us that's always kind of cringing, thinking, oh, like, can I say that? 语法解析

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And it's starting to break those deeper beliefs that can create this amazing sense of safety and our nervous system can become much more regulated over time once we do that and we feel safer in the world. So I guess I just want to highlight how crucial these beliefs 语法解析

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around us actually are, the way that we interact with other people. It has a huge role to play in how safe we feel in the world and then how much anxiety we're experiencing. In terms of social anxiety, talk to me about like what people experience on this front, maybe like how common it is. Like when people talk about this social anxiety, what are they referring to? 语法解析

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How do they describe it and how would you go about like tackling or assisting someone in that case? Yeah, so social anxiety, it's really common. It's more common than you would think. I mean, one in four Australians are experiencing or suffering with anxiety at some point in their lifetime. That's the stat. 语法解析

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and we don't have a specific stat for social anxiety, but I would say it is quite likely to be much higher because how easy is it to experience anxiety? And no one knows. I mean, I certainly know from my personal experience, I could so easily look like I had it all together on the outside, but on the inside, there was, there was a lot more going on, you know, mean inner critic and those kinds of things. And so for someone experiencing social anxiety, it's 语法解析

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That is typically what it looks like. You would have no idea at a party, let's say, you walk into the room, who in that room is experiencing social anxiety because they're quite likely masking it. 语法解析

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But inside, so they're nodding, they're smiling, but inside they're hearing this voice saying, why would you say that? You're an idiot. No one here likes you. No one wants to talk to you here. You should just go home. And when can I leave? It's usually a big one. There's usually a sense that the room is against you. The other people are judging you and you are judging yourself always in that scenario. So it's, 语法解析

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it's hard to say the words. Maybe you will fumble your words and stutter because inside your own head, you're saying, why are you saying that? You sound like an idiot. And so we kind of create that reality for ourselves as we're experiencing it. Then we do maybe say something we didn't mean to say or feel like we're not coming across very confidently. And then, yeah, we'll feel exhausted. Yeah. 语法解析

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Usually after a social gathering with social anxiety because of how much we've had to kind of hold in just to kind of get through that experience. And finally, we get this relief when we get home because now the mask can come off. Now I can like just be me. 语法解析

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But when we're around people, especially perhaps people we don't know very well, it feels like we have to put this mask on of, okay, here's my socially acceptable self, right? We've got all this stuff inside ourselves we think just isn't lovable, isn't worthy of friendship. No one, you know, people will think I'm weird if they knew the real me. And we tend to bottle up a lot of stuff too. So that's pretty much the experience of social anxiety. It is exhausting. Yeah. 语法解析

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You mentioned that inner voice, that inner critic and sort of that like the inner judgment. I can, yeah, 100% relate to that. Like I've been to many, many parties when I was younger where I was just 语法解析

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critiquing myself like on the go and it's like almost like I've got a um like a coach just overlooking everything it could even be linked to my my soccer we're like having a real real real time realization right now yeah it's yeah so like that that um like that inner voice I mean personally I did find that 语法解析

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When I started to unwrap that with a therapist and look deeper into that, those times with my soccer coach, then combining that with my knowledge around GABA, dopamine, serotonin, and the supplements, I feel like synergistically that together has helped me dramatically where now when I go to social events where I have to meet new people and stuff, 语法解析

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I know how to flip myself into a state that's like, all right, time to be really social, time to be less intense because I find that when I'm working, I'm super intense and 语法解析

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Like it's not a very social state to be in, but how do you go about working with clients in terms of enabling them to like let go of that inner voice or judgment? Yeah, well, I mean, one easy thing that you just did is essentially identifying whose voice is that. When you hear that critical mean voice, it's not you. It's just a part of you that you've kind of internalized and absorbed into 语法解析

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from some kind of critic that was around you when you were young in those formative years. And it could be a combination, but often it's a really dominant person. And so when you start to think, if you're judging yourself, let's say, oh my goodness, I'm being so lazy today. And that's like a voice you typically hear is that if you're resting, because we need rest and that's productive too. But whenever you rest, there's this voice kind of whipping you and you just feel like you can't. 语法解析

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whose voice is that? Like, when did you learn that? And you'll usually come back to a specific person. Maybe every time you rested, when you were, you know, 10 years old, your mother would come in the room and say like, why aren't you helping me? And you'd get that sort of like, oh my goodness, I can't just rest. I've got to be doing things. So just having that curiosity as to 语法解析

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where you learned this stuff. When I'm working with clients, I go deeper into the subconscious mind because there's so much in there that we don't know that we don't know. And that's where it gets really fascinating because like… 语法解析

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There will be things about you, just habits you have, ways of being that aren't serving you, that are perhaps driven by fear or survival instincts that you can see aren't really required in your life now. That's where we're like looking around our life and you wake up, you're thinking, why am I anxious today? Everything in my life is fine. 语法解析

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But unfortunately, there's these parts of you that are still stuck in the past that are still bracing for perhaps that moment where that critical parent is going to come in and yell at you, even though you might not live with your parents anymore, as an example. So… 语法解析

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What we can do is we can travel back in time and we can actually access some of these memories and help upgrade those parts of you that are stuck in the past and bring them to the present now where you are not that child that you were that has to kind of live around these people. Now you choose the people that are in your life. You've got so much more choice and freedom. But until we do that work, it can be challenging to break those patterns. But it's amazing, Lucas, because when we finally do revisit stuff, 语法解析

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then we have an opportunity to look at it differently and 语法解析

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break these limiting beliefs and you, you cannot go back to seeing things the old way. Once you see it the new way, it's like, you know, after understanding the world through the lens of, of functional medicine and, and supplements and how they can be such a amazing integral part of our lives. You just don't see the world the same way. It's the same as going back and, you know, critiquing and looking at some of these old, old beliefs about yourself. You can't see yourself the same way once you see it a new way. 语法解析

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Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I remember getting stuck into this topic with like a counselor and also a therapist at the time, just noticing how much lighter physically I felt after each session and also just feeling this sense of like, I've got more energy because I have less wasted energy on this negative thinking or this, because anxiety I think can be very like draining as well. 语法解析

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So you're losing your energy. Yeah. And it's like, and then think about what impact that's having on your physiology too. Like I, I find it fascinating to think about how, yes, we could, we can take the CoQ10, we can take the B vitamins, the magnesium, the taurine, we can do all of the creatine. Like there's so many things we can take. I'm so aware of the audience, right? But there's, there's so much we can take to enhance our energy and, 语法解析

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But also there is like, if we can release the heaviness of the emotional weight, that does, we can measure the impact of that. You know, like we can see cortisol levels reduce, especially when we do have an emotional release. Like there is when, when you, when you, you know, let the anger within out, 语法解析

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out and we have a good scream, hopefully in a healthy way, maybe not at a loved one is ideal. And I think this is why, you know, we have things like sport where you can just yell at the TV and go, what? It lets that release of emotion out. 语法解析

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and you are helping your your nervous system to regulate you're helping shift your your biology just with that so i'm like there's so much we can do with supplements yes but also why not combine it all because otherwise we're kind of making life harder for ourselves if we if we do hold on to this emotional weight too yeah speaking of um like ability to release uh have you come across the there's something in melbourne called the break room have you heard about that 语法解析

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No, but maybe. Is that where they smash plates? Yeah. Oh, they smash just everything, like just stuff in her room. I love that. 语法解析

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I think that's amazing. I think people need it, especially with the world as it is now. We need outlets. Otherwise, we're going to get into gangs and fights. We can't pretend that we're just these perfect civilized people. Unfortunately, as much as you could be the nicest, most loving person in the world, but we all need to have a good scream at times because of 语法解析

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various injustices, various things that have happened to us personally, but also, yeah, just look at, look at, you know, various scary and unsettling things happening in the world. I think we, we need an outlet for that. And even for the sadness too, which we, we often, you know, don't want to go into, but like we're experiencing loss in life so often. Um, and, and that needs its outlet as well. You're just making me think back to a time where, um, 语法解析

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Like just this whole concept of like road rage, like getting into the car when you're frustrated and angry. And then you're just like, you're just looking for someone to make the tiniest little mistake to then just crack it at them. And it just says something about what's going on for you, right? Like… 语法解析

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It's completely a projection, isn't it? Exactly. In fact, I had someone, I was just driving earlier today and had someone like with a big road rage moment at me. And I had this moment of, oh, did I do something wrong? And I sort of reflected on my driving. I thought, no, I didn't. And then I just sort of looked at this person. I thought about what pain they must be in. And I tried to just send them love. That's it. 语法解析

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that's what we're needing like when we're when we're in that state we're in pain and it's funny because we often then we'll just sort of judge that other person and say oh you know what what a horrible person they are but this these are the people who need who need that compassion the most because of the pain they're in and we all have pain we all have pain at times yeah in terms of um 语法解析

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Walk me through, let's say, for example, somebody is complaining about they've had ongoing anxiety. Is there a particular, you said you peel back the layers, you go deep into the subconscious. Do you have a particular framework in which you go through a step-by-step structural framework that sort of peels back the layers? Yeah. 语法解析

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Hmm. Yeah. So, I mean, like to, to sort of take you on the whole journey, we start with, okay, how can I get someone feeling better ASAP? And so I'll just talk to someone from a naturopathic sort of lens. Like, what are you eating? We do start with those things. Like, are you eating three regular meals a day? And, and are you, do you get enough 语法解析

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That's like such a crucial one because of the blood sugar influence. If I can see anything like excessive caffeine consumption, for example, that's huge in anxiety. And unfortunately, whilst yes, there are benefits to caffeine and to coffee, 语法解析

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Uh, if you're struggling with anxiety and you've got a sensitive nervous system, most of the time, we're going to be better off having at least a break from it and just seeing how we feel, especially when most of us just have it every day. And we've never even seen how we feel. So I do start with those kinds of quick wins. 语法解析

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I was going to say, just on the blood sugar side, that's something we should bring up to the audience because when I'm talking about blood sugar here, I'm always talking about muscle growth and energy and stuff like that. But talk about what happens to the body physiologically when it goes into a low blood sugar state. Yeah. 语法解析

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Which hormones get released, right? So do you want to talk about that? Exactly. We get like a release of adrenaline and cortisol. So we are going to go into an anxious state. In fact, if I leave it too late to eat lunch, you know, today, I am going to feel anxious. And this isn't a failure personally upon me, right? And anxiety is going to kick in there to alert me to an imbalance in my body and how I'm taking care of myself. 语法解析

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Yeah. So that's, these are those moments when we could easily dismiss that and say, oh, this pesky anxiety, it's just here for no reason. It's so annoying, but it actually is coming from a loving place. It's guiding us back to ourselves. And it's saying like, reflect for a moment. Could we be taking care of ourselves? And those basics are so, so crucial, like blood sugar. Yeah. Yeah. 语法解析

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What about in terms of like sleep deprivation? Have you seen a strong correlation there? Absolutely. When we are sleep deprived, we are primed for anxiety. So we are just in this, our brain does something where we're kind of like because we're sleep deprived, we're in this sort of weakened state. 语法解析

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we go into a hyper alert kind of mode to kind of get through the day or to keep surviving until we can recoup our sleep, I suppose. I mean, that tired but wired experience is also something that people can get into an unfortunate cycle with, with anxiety where we're so tired, but we can't sleep. Obviously new moms go through a lot of that. Like I question how much the postpartum anxiety could be perhaps, you know, and large, 语法解析

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largely is related to the sleep deprivation that comes with that too. So yeah, sleep plays a huge role for sure. Yeah. In terms of, I was going to mention something around exercise as well. Is there a certain type of exercise that you've seen work better for anxiety? Like is it more so weight training or is it more so cardio? Have you seen any correlation there? Yeah. Okay. So with exercise, I think, 语法解析

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movement of some kind is better than nothing. And that's usually where I start with, with people, because again, when we're struggling with anxiety, we're usually information overload. So I try to keep things a little more simple and just like, can we just move in some way? Can we just, you know, go for a 10 minute walk. And you'll often feel that the anxiety in your body, like if you connect away from the, the pure, you know, research and what, what everyone else is telling you should do, if you come back to how your body feels often, when you're anxious, you're 语法解析

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Have you noticed your legs actually kind of like feel this energy in them? They're buzzing. They want to move. You know, one of our nervous system states when we're in that stressed response, that sympathetic nervous system, we are experiencing often the feeling 语法解析

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flight response, which is where we want to actually move and get away from danger, whether it's real or not, whether there's actually a bear chasing you or not. So going out and moving your body, going for walks, going for a run could be really, really useful. And I actually love tuning into that and feeling like, does my body want to run right now? Or does it want to walk? Because going with that energy, right? 语法解析

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rather than pretending it's not there and, you know, trying to do a meditation is so much more beneficial. Now, when, you know, then we have to play into kind of what's the whole picture of a person. So if I'm working with someone who's a woman with PCOS, for example, we do need to adjust what sort of the exercise looks like. 语法解析

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We don't want to do too much high intensity stuff because there's already that sensitivity towards cortisol and insulin as well. So it really does depend. And I do think it's important, you know, depending on how long that person has been in a really stressed, heightened state to not push too hard with, say, 语法解析

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very intense weight training. I think some weight training can obviously be beneficial, you know, going for long runs or doing a lot of high intensity stuff. 语法解析

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We've just got to listen to our body with, with this, which isn't, you know, super scientific. I know Lucas, but it is, it, it, it's so much more, the more we can kind of build that connection back to ourselves. Right. And, and sure, like taking the amazing research as well, like factor that in, give it, let that be your guidepost that that's going to be a really beautiful way through to figuring out what the right exercise is for you. 语法解析

31:43

Awesome. What about in terms of nutrient deficiencies? Apart from magnesium, obviously, I think a lot of my audience already knows a lot about how magnesium is tied to magnesium deficiency linked to anxiety. But actually, I want to mention iron deficiency. Have you seen correlations there between low iron deficiency 语法解析

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And mood disorders. Yes. And that's a fascinating one. And, you know, the mechanism that's proposed there that's sort of playing out if we're experiencing an iron deficiency is that perhaps that's impacting, you know, blood flow to the brain and then nutrient production. 语法解析

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delivery and then, and then removal of waste. So we're, we might be getting that, um, that lack of sort of circulation. And then you can just imagine, especially someone who's experiencing with the anxiety, the brain fog, the sort of confusion, the not quite clear in that mental state. 语法解析

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then it makes a lot of sense. It just kind of like fits into place. So yeah, definitely there's, there's that iron correlation. Um, iron is also part of making some of our crucial neurotransmitters that are required too. So there's that element as well that plays into it. Another one I overlooked is iodine too. And the way that that plays into our, our thyroid function, um, and, um, 语法解析

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For a lot of us, especially if we're more health conscious, we're probably not eating the iodine fortified bread products and things like that. So unless you're then having seaweed and specific foods… 语法解析

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I know a lot of people, I love eating seaweed, like those nori seaweed snacks and things like that. Okay, there you go. We're on the same wavelength with that, but some people hate it. They're like, that's way too fishy, gross. So then if you're not having that and you're also not consuming, you know, our fortified cereals and breads, where's your iodine coming from? And if we're under a lot of stress as well, yeah, that's going to start to, you know, become deficient pretty quick. 语法解析

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Yeah, also I'm glad you mentioned thyroid as part of this. Both hyper and hypo seem to be pretty strongly linked to mood disorders. More so I think – 语法解析

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Hypothyroidism, more so linked to like the brain fog, feeling sluggish, slow, like low mood, that sort of stuff. Hypothyroid, which is what I'm sort of more towards, I take after my dad there. I'm like low TSH, high T3 sort of picture. It's more so like restlessness, a bit more irritable. Yeah, I can confirm that. 语法解析

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So I think there's definitely a link there between thyroid health and anxiety as well. Yes. And then, of course, we need to look at the impact of our environment, toxins, for example, which can absolutely interfere with thyroid function. And there's so much to consider, isn't there? Oh, massively, massively. Even you mentioned there toxins slash mold. Have you seen links there between patients that have said they've lived in a house with mold and… 语法解析

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suffered from anxiety and stuff? Yeah. I often find the mold sensitive, uh, clients will be the ones who typically might have an autoimmune condition as well. So there's, there's usually that immune sensitivity, um, already kind of there in the picture and they might just sort of be that picture of like hypersensitive in many ways. Um, you know, it's been interesting. I grew up in Melbourne. I'm so used to that dry climate, but now I'm living in Byron Bay and it, 语法解析

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I have to get used to, you know, mold living. Like you have to do certain things to your home, dehumidifiers. Like there's a whole different way of life that is required when you're trying to keep mold out of your house. I've had a few times where my whole cupboard's been like every item of clothing I've had to throw in the wash because it's all been covered in mold. And so, yeah, it's something that can be so prevalent. And I've now realized how much like there's this huge chunk of Australia that 语法解析

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that is prone to that, which anyone living in Queensland or Northern New South Wales, basically, even down to Newcastle and, and, uh, and Sydney, you know, we get mold. So, um, and it can of course happen down in Victoria. It's just happens to be a lot more, a lot more dry. So I do put that into consideration for people for sure. Um, and, and then of course, like, gosh, we're just, you know, there's this onslaught of toxins around us. 语法解析

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I think there's a, there's gotta be a balance there because people will hear this stuff and it's very alarming. It's very scary. Just neuro, like, um, uh, neurotoxins. We've got endocrine, uh, disruptors as well. Just like in our receipts, in our petrol, in our, um, 语法解析

36:26

You could just be walking down the street. You could do everything perfectly and you're walking down a busy road and there's car exhaust and you're breathing that in. We, in our water sources, in our food, the plastics on our food that are, you know, leaching chemicals into the food, there's so many things that we have to consider. So I think it's important, again, to balance this with, okay, be aware as much as you can, but then look at… 语法解析

36:54

how can you also support your body in its natural everyday detox? Like I was saying with fortifying our gut every day, like what can we do just to keep our gut nice and healthy and strong? Also, how can we be regularly supporting our detox pathways? And so things like saunas obviously can be really beneficial. Probably don't need to go into all of the different detox options that we have, but even just sweating, like moving our body. When you come back to these basics, right? 语法解析

37:21

This very complex topic can actually, you realize you're kind of killing multiple birds with one stone just with moving your body, for example. It's such a good one. Georgie, I'm curious to know about like has there been a particular client success story or a case study where like it just really hit home for you or was like a really pivotal moment in your naturopathy career? Yeah. 语法解析

37:50

Yeah, I still remember. I mean, this girl I worked with a couple of years ago who she came to me and I got this message on Instagram kind of late at night and she was really struggling. She was getting this horrible reflux that she'd been to all these medical professionals. I went to the gastroenterologist. 语法解析

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was given this suite of medications to take that were treating each little symptom, the branches of the tree, not really looking at the roots here. And it was pretty obvious to me, we ended up getting on a chat and working together. And it was quite obvious from the beginning that she had obviously anxiety as well was going on for her, but quite a big case of SIBO. 语法解析

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And we did the testing. We confirmed that and it came back positive. And I just can't, it blows my mind still, Lucas, how overlooked SIBO is in our mainstream medical world and what a difference it makes to people's lives, you know, when we actually treat it. So we went down this path of treating the SIBO. She didn't have to take all of the medications that she got from the gastroenterologist. We just like went gutsy. 语法解析

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gung-ho on SIBO protocols and she was feeling better within you know it takes a while SIBO is a tricky one but it was like within about four weeks she was really getting some progress happening and then there was a lot of family stuff we also looked at at the same time she'd been kind of the the 语法解析

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bottom end of the food chain in her family growing up. And so there was a lot of like building her confidence and being able to speak up and those things that also were a part of the picture. But there was just no doubt the way that she was experiencing distress from those gastroenterology, those, um, 语法解析

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digestive issues and the bloating she was getting the pain the reflux to see that resolve it was rebuilding rebuilt her trust with her body and that gave her this this greater sense of safety with herself so that was a really beautiful story for sure i feel like it's um extremely empowering when the when the patient gets to see like gets to understand the links between different pathways like 语法解析

39:58

Because I feel like particularly our generation, they want to understand the why and they want to understand the root cause. And so when you're getting to that root cause, it does something to their brain. They go through that aha moment, whereas your typical doctor, I mean, how often are they going to sit down, explain to you and like, 语法解析

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go deep into the root cause of like what's truly going on. It's very rare. Like you need to be a very progressive functional medicine doctor. They'll spend like at least an hour with you for your first consult and 语法解析

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most people just don't get that level of service. And our system's just not set up for it, right? So I think big changes will happen in the future with healthcare. I mean, especially even just seeing what I've been talking about today, like the impact of emotions. And I've actually got one other quick story I'll share that has just come to my mind too that was really amazing was another woman I worked with, she had endometriosis, which is, you know, like really chronic 语法解析

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crazy condition that is just so, so painful and hidden as well with the anxiety that we were working through. And she was a new mom and we did our thing. We went through, I just gave her things like NAC and I think fish oil, nothing major with the supplements, just the obvious ones, like targeting inflammation essentially, mostly, and her gut health was a big part of the plan. 语法解析

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And then we did all of this emotional healing and like worked through some big stuff. And this is the thing, when you do the subconscious work, people have a memory of something that they kind of always know happened, but they wanted to just box that away. But when we actually look at it, it's like, 语法解析

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looking at a monster under your bed and realizing like shining the light there and realizing, oh, it's not actually a monster. Now we can deal with it. And that's pretty much what we did. So this thing that she'd held all this shame about in her whole life, we managed to clear through and help her see it in a really compassionate, loving way towards herself. And she just was so much lighter after that, but her endometriosis went away. 语法解析

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She no longer was experiencing any pain. So I don't think that was purely the supplements. Yes, they were playing a role because I've seen too many people, you know, like just taking the supplements and not seeing the result. The emotional stuff is so, so key too. And so I see the future of our healthcare becoming more and more holistic. We just have to because it's what really works. 语法解析

42:24

Oh, absolutely. And also what you mentioned there goes back to the therapeutic relationship between yourself and the client. And that's something that I learned in first year naturopathy when I studied counseling as one of the subjects. I was like, I was trying to understand this, the notion of like placebo effect. And I was just trying to think like, when I used to work in my dad's pharmacy, I used to be like the vitamin specialist. 语法解析

42:50

And thinking back now, a lot of the reasons why people loved the SUP, the products that I recommended wasn't necessarily because of the products. It was because I was the one creating the healing effect from – it could have been a sugar tablet. 语法解析

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but they still would have gotten the benefit. It's because I've like nurtured them, you know, built that rapport. It's stuff that it would come so easy to you, but like this is, I feel like it's underestimated the impact of that. I remember those counseling subjects at uni too. I loved it. I was just, you know, it just was my zone and, you know, probably early on spoke to what I would end up adding on as well. But, you know, that feeling seen, right? 语法解析

43:34

So many people were once these little children that grew up in a home where their parents were too busy. Look how busy we have to be in our lives. We don't have the time to eye-to-eye look at our children, play with them and interact with them and involve them in our lives. There's just so much going on. So those children grow up and become these adults who are just wanting someone to see them. 语法解析

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their pain, you know, they're saying to you, I've got these headaches or I've got these things. And if you're the person saying to them, like, I'm listening and this is something that could help, they're feeling cared for. So I can really see how, you know, it just meets such a deep need. And so, so many people are walking around with that ache in their heart of like, someone just see me. I feel so alone. Yeah. 语法解析

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Yeah. Makes me think about like recently in my apartment, we've got like a, I'm on level nine and there's like a lot of floors obviously below me, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. But obviously it goes. And so like every time it stops at a different floor, sometimes somebody will, will come on and, 语法解析

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You know, you hear about people just saying like if you just even just say hello to someone who comes on, sometimes there's these like very senior citizens that will come into the lift. But I always make sure to like say hello, open the door for them, you know, help them through their – carry their stuff through. I'm just like people just – they just – 语法解析

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They underestimate how powerful that can be. It can literally change their entire week. Totally. And then you feel good too. Like there's this beautiful mutual, you know, exchange that happens there, which I don't think we realize. And actually we're now touching on the loneliness, right? That is a huge epidemic in society too, which is, 语法解析

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also you know interwoven into this anxiety that we're experiencing more than ever too and it's like we're so disconnected so those small moments of interaction that used to just be like we would have 语法解析

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20 of those, 50 of those moments in a day. And now we might get one, you know, like because of the way we can, we can work online. Like Lucas, I know, I think you do quite a lot of work online, like me too. And it's like, you could probably easily go a day without seeing any other human beings if you wanted to, but it's, or just seeing like one other human being, whereas we are so tribal. And I think we're really 语法解析

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feeling that. And there's so many studies showing like increases of inflammation when we're, when we're experiencing loneliness, we, we, there's benefits for our microbiome. I remember during the pandemic with the lockdowns, I was just thinking about how, what's this doing to our, our, our microbiomes because we, we get a lot from sort of interacting and hugging each other and exchanging germs basically. So yeah, this is another piece. 语法解析

46:27

Yeah, the loneliness, I'm glad you brought that up. Jeez, I reckon if we surveyed my listeners on this podcast, I would have a… My bet would be that a significant portion of people listening to this podcast feel a sense of loneliness on a regular basis. And like you said, of course, social media has been instrumental in that. Both, I would say… 语法解析

46:55

Like the ability to connect with people. Yeah. I mean, it's been life-changing personally, like, and I'm sure yourself, you've just connected people all over the world. I mean, so like, 语法解析

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What can people do from a loneliness front? Like what do you say to pick clients when they feel lonely but they have the social anxiety, they don't want to go out? Like it's a double whammy sort of scenario. Yeah, you can really get yourself in a cycle with that where, as you said, you want to connect but you're equally lonely 语法解析

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feel like that's quite a stressful experience to go through. Well, the first thing I want to say to anyone who's, who's can relate to what we're talking about is that you are so not alone in your loneliness. And, you know, I've gone through periods of experiencing loneliness in my life. It sounds like Lucas, you've, you've gone through those periods too. Like it is such a universal part of our human experience, but it lies to you in the moment. And I say, I use the term, your anxious mind will lie to you. 语法解析

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because it tells you you're the only one experiencing this pain and no one will get it. And it's quite likely that that was an experience you had a lot as a child where you 语法解析

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you were alone in your pain. So you could have had wonderful parents. They might've been really lovely people, but when it came to emotional stuff, they were kind of like, Oh, you know, come on, let's just get on with it. Right. And if we have that, then we learn that we have to do that to ourselves. And so we don't have that sensitivity or that space for our own emotions. And then we think that's when we have to hide from other people and pretend isn't there. So one step is recognizing that, that, that pain it's, it's, 语法解析

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real and it's valid and you're allowed to feel it and you're not alone in it. So if you did tell someone else about it, like you actually let them into your world and don't just tell the whole world, don't go and make a post on social media and let like the public in necessarily, but you will have at least one person in your life that maybe they're not your best friend. 语法解析

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doesn't matter. Someone that you can just sense they're a good person. They're a safe person. We all have this instinct to know when we're around someone that's really judgmental and probably not your person. Then when we're around someone that's got more of that nurturing, understanding energy, someone who, you know, 语法解析

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It's just going to be gentle with you when they hear that. Speak to those people. Connect with that person. It could be someone that you casually interact with at work, but you just kind of know they've got a warmth about them. Tell them how you're feeling. See what happens when they say to you, how are you today? And you say, you know what? I'm actually having not the best day. 语法解析

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See where that leads because what that's going to do in that vulnerability, it creates the space for connection and that's what you're needing. So you don't have to kind of go out and, you know, go to a big party if you're feeling lonely. Like start with those small steps. 语法解析

49:45

Make the effort to get in-person contact with people too if you can. And even something that can feel really nice is just going out and sitting at a cafe and just being around the general sort of movement of other people, especially if you perhaps work from home a lot or you're not in contact with a lot of people. That can be a really nice way to sort of just have that sense of I'm a part of something bigger than just me and my world. And it might just be that eye contact when you 语法解析

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you know, order your food or something that just makes you feel, okay, like I'm seen and there are people around. But then, you know, on a longer term basis, hopefully this then flows out to starting to build deeper, more vulnerable connections with people, really sharing how you feel and building those deeper relationships because it's 语法解析

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You're contributing to it too by not sharing what's really going on for you. You keep the relationships at a surface level that aren't really meeting what you need at a deeper level and then getting involved in any kind of groups you can, whether it's sport or some kind of hobby, joining an art class, pottery. We just need to get out there and have people around us, every single one of us. I don't care how introverted and shy you are, you need it. 语法解析

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And we all do. It's like the best vitamin we can give ourselves. Yeah, it's like that initial step, which is the hardest part, is like stepping out into the uncomfortable is the hardest part. But once you get over that bit, then the rest usually should come together and like it uplifts your spirit. You feel more social. You made a good point about just even working from a cafe. Like even though I live in such a great area of Melbourne, you know, down in Port Melbourne, Melbourne, 语法解析

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I even though I've got an awesome at-home office with a walking treadmill desk and I just love it amazing views and all that I still forget to just sometimes go downstairs go to a cafe and work from there it's like I think part of me just loves just being in routine and just being yeah I find it difficult to like flip out of that sometimes but 语法解析

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I can definitely see how that can be hugely beneficial for people. Yeah. And it's, you know, you could still get the same amount of work done. You could make it that that's an hour you spend doing emails or something where you don't, you know, need quiet space, like recording a podcast. You obviously need to be in a quiet space, but yeah, 语法解析

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Yeah, like there are going to be tasks you could do that then without you even being really aware, it's kind of like when you put soothing music on in the background and it just makes you feel a bit more relaxed when you're working. You're not fully aware that that's what, that that's happening, but it's just creating this general sense of safety. When we have people around us, we feel safer. And that's just like going to translate to our biology, to our anxiety too. 语法解析

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So Georgie, if my audience wants to, you know, connect with you, you know, see more of your content or even book in a consultation, where can they find you? The best place is over on Instagram. That's where I hang out the most. It's at Georgie the Naturopath, or you can check out my website, which is GeorgieCollinson.com. 语法解析

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Perfect. I'll make sure to leave those linked in the podcast show notes. But otherwise, yeah, Georgie, thank you for coming on the podcast. That was a fun conversation. Thanks so much, Lucas. I'm glad we could take it to a different space today. Really appreciate it. 语法解析

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