@Just Another Peater : 我认为基督教普遍存在一种反对理性的倾向。亚里士多德和托马斯主义让你从经验和理性出发,这与皮特式的思考方式非常相似,然后从中推导出对上帝、对人以及对我们所处现实的认知。阅读雷·皮特的基督教批判时,我发现他非常强调基督教被柏拉图式的诺斯替主义颠覆了。我认为弗朗西斯·柯林斯自称是基督徒,但他却在做最邪恶的实验。按照上帝的方式生活会带来祝福,例如女性在怀孕期间会产生更多的孕酮。孕酮是身体中最具保护性的物质,拥有更多的孕酮会让你更有活力,活得更久。孕酮缺乏会导致组胺样症状,例如对食物变得非常敏感,无法再耐受牛奶或麸质。孕酮更多的是一种镇静剂,可以消除压力感。 @David Gornoski : 如果我们全心全意地敬拜上帝,那么就应该包括理解生物学是如何运作的,它们应该像手套一样契合。生物学成了无神论者和进化论者运行的领域。基督徒可以做生物学领域的好事,但这并不是上帝主要关心的事情,甚至有点肮脏。雷·皮特提供了一个路线图,可以开始将基督教生物学的各个部分拼凑起来,为基督教信仰的主张提供生物学基础。弗拉基米尔·维尔纳茨基的noosphere理论认为,人类的知识将有助于地球在代谢方面进化到一个更好的状态。人类应该照顾和管理地球,而不是接受地球是静态的、没有生命的原子集合的观念。现在是一个政治上的启示时刻,人们开始看到政府如何使用他们的钱。了解身体中不同激素和分子的作用,如何影响和塑造你的个人基督教生活,例如理解罪、人际关系、冲突、医治冲突、避免冲突和解决创伤?
我最近与Just Another Peater进行了一次深入的探讨，主题围绕着雷·皮特（Ray Peat）的生物能学思想及其与基督教信仰的交汇点。我们并非试图将两者强行融合，而是探索它们在理解人性、生命本质以及与上帝的关系上是否存在共通之处。
Peater指出，基督教普遍存在一种反对理性的倾向。他认为，亚里士多德和托马斯主义提供了一种宝贵的视角：从经验和理性出发，逐步推导出对上帝、对人以及我们所处现实的认知。这种方法与皮特式的思考方式异曲同工，强调从观察现实出发，而非盲目信仰。
雷·皮特曾尖锐地批评某些基督教分支被柏拉图式的诺斯替主义所扭曲，导致对经验现实的忽视。这并非否定信仰，而是强调理性与信仰并非对立，而是互补的关系。信仰与理性应像手套般契合，全心全意地敬拜上帝，就应该包括理解生物学是如何运作的。
我们还讨论了生物学在当代基督教中的尴尬地位。它常常被视为无神论者和进化论者的专属领域，而基督徒参与其中，则被视为某种妥协或“不洁”。然而，这种二元对立的观念是人为制造的，是错误的。 皮特的工作为我们提供了一个路线图，帮助我们重新审视生物学与信仰的关系，为基督教信仰提供生物学基础。例如，基督教信仰认为死亡是敌人，而非自然状态，而皮特的理论也支持了这一观点，认为人体并非天生注定衰老和死亡。
弗拉基米尔·维尔纳茨基（Vladimir Vernadsky）的noosphere理论也为我们提供了新的视角。该理论认为，人类的知识将有助于地球在代谢方面进化到一个更好的状态。这与《创世纪》中人类被赋予管理和守护地球的责任相呼应。我们并非地球上静态的、没有生命的原子集合，而是与地球休戚与共的有机体。
我们进一步探讨了内分泌系统对个人基督教生活的影响。理解身体中不同激素和分子的作用，对于理解罪、人际关系、冲突、医治冲突、避免冲突和解决创伤至关重要。 例如，孕酮作为身体中最具保护性的物质，其缺乏会导致组胺样症状，例如对食物变得非常敏感，从而影响身心健康。而按照上帝的方式生活，例如生育，则会带来更多的孕酮，带来身心上的益处。这并非意味着要鼓励盲目生育，而是强调在信仰与生活实践中，存在着一种内在的和谐与祝福。
过量雌激素可能与许多创伤、冲突和侵略行为有关。 然而，这并非意味着要否定信仰的力量，而是强调在寻求灵性提升的同时，也要关注身体的健康，并运用科学知识来改善我们的生活。 这并非对信仰的背叛，而是对信仰的更深层次的理解和实践。
当前的政治环境为我们提供了反思的机会。 人们开始意识到政府的运作方式，以及其对个人生活的影响。这并非世界末日，而是启示的时刻，一个重新审视信仰与现实关系的时刻。
总而言之，生物能学与基督教并非相互排斥，而是可以相互补充、相互促进的。通过理性与信仰的结合，我们可以更深入地理解生命、人性以及与上帝的关系，从而过上更健康、更充实、更有意义的生活。
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00:31 我想持续与不同的对话者交流,也许会做一个小组或圆桌会议。
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00:49 我想探索基督教徒如何对雷·皮特提出的生物能量哲学感兴趣。
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01:42 如果我们全心全意地敬拜上帝,那么就应该包括理解生物学是如何运作的,它们应该像手套一样契合。
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02:11 阅读雷·皮特的基督教批判时,我发现他非常强调基督教被柏拉图式的诺斯替主义颠覆了。
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02:34 你倾向于亚里士多德还是柏拉图?你的传统和哲学是什么?
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02:56 我对托马斯·阿奎那,特别是托马斯主义非常感兴趣。
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02:56 托马斯·阿奎那是第一个将亚里士多德与基督教结合起来的人。
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04:11 基督教普遍存在一种反对理性的倾向。
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04:11 亚里士多德和托马斯主义让你从经验和理性出发,这与皮特式的思考方式非常相似,然后从中推导出对上帝、对人以及对我们所处现实的认知。
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04:42 当你看到雷批评说,过多的柏拉图主义或极端版本的柏拉图主义劫持了基督教,你认为他是什么意思?
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05:08 我认为他看到一种倾向,可能更反对经验主义,或者更反对科学,这种倾向脱离了观察现实并从中获得知识的理念。
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05:27 我认为拒绝理性是一个巨大的问题。
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05:58 我从人类学的角度来看,你必须研究圣经,不仅要考虑神学,还要考虑人类学,因为它是对人类和所揭示的上帝的研究。
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06:27 大多数人不会从人类学的角度出发。
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06:57 几乎如果你没有对人类的研究来支撑你的神学,你就不会对圣经中的上帝有一个准确的描述。
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07:25 如果这只是告诉我关于上帝的事情,但我甚至不知道我们作为人类为什么要做我们所做的事情,那么你就没有真正的东西来支撑如何模仿你所学到的东西。
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07:49 如果只有脱离了人类学结论的神学,你可能会得出这样的结论:那些我不喜欢的人是亚玛力人,他们需要被谋杀。
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08:14 加尔文在他的《基督教要义》的开篇中说,如果不仰望上帝,没有人能够理解成为人意味着什么,反之亦然。
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08:48 生物学成了无神论者和进化论者运行的领域。
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09:17 基督徒可以做生物学领域的好事,但这并不是上帝主要关心的事情,甚至有点肮脏。
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09:58 弗朗西斯·柯林斯自称是基督徒,但他却在做最邪恶的实验。
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10:05 基督徒必须重新认识到身体是整体的,没有什么可以分离的,这样才能在这个领域取得进展。
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10:51 当在教会中找不到医治时,一定有什么地方出错了。
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11:20 对信仰传统的信徒来说,关于医治存在不同的信念,但所有这些信念都有其真理之处。
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12:46 我们的选择不应该只是默认于医院医生的建议,或者做基督徒可以做的神奇的事情,或者尝试一些我们不了解的另类疗法。
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13:14 我们的文化将事物进行划分,例如祈祷和肿瘤消失被认为是宗教魔法,另类补充剂被认为是蛇油,而主流医学则依赖于医生开的药物。
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13:54 雷·皮特提供了一个路线图,可以开始将基督教生物学的各个部分拼凑起来,为基督教信仰的主张提供生物学基础。
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14:24 基督教信仰认为死亡是敌人,是不自然的。
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15:07 雷·皮特的方法为以生物学的方式映射基督教真理提供了一个基础。
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15:36 新耶路撒冷没有黑暗,这象征着没有更多的压力和对生命的对抗。
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16:13 我一直想回到伊甸园,如果我们被设计成在伊甸园中饮食,那么我们就不可能被设计成主要是肉食动物。
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16:42 基督徒应该超越伊甸园,蓬勃发展,而不是仅仅为了生存而降低标准。
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17:11 从基督教的观点来看,最好的还在后头,我们应该蓬勃发展。
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18:06 痴迷于回到史前时代,认为那是黄金时代,这是一个大问题。
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18:34 基督徒应该向前看,认为生命是丰富的。
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18:53 认为黄金时代总是在过去的田园诗般的时代,这是一种异教徒的方法。
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19:42 异教徒可能是在模仿他们自己更健康的童年状态,并将其集体投射到过去。
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20:33 基督教停止了永恒的循环,并说黄金时代即将到来,比伊甸园更好。
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20:54 弗拉基米尔·维尔纳茨基的noosphere理论认为,人类的知识将有助于地球在代谢方面进化到一个更好的状态。
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21:19 人类应该照顾和管理地球,而不是接受地球是静态的、没有生命的原子集合的观念。
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22:02 当我们恢复生物能量的蓬勃状态,更好地思考和协调积极的事情时,地球和其中的动物将受到积极的影响。
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22:52 在思考这个问题时,可能会陷入几个误区,包括创造一个虚假的乌托邦,或者认为一切都将崩溃。
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23:11 认为我们拥有所有的答案并依靠自己的力量来解决一切,可能会导致灾难性的结局。
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23:11 认为我们所做的一切都无关紧要也是一个误区,因为我们所做的事情确实重要。
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23:38 雷一直倡导组织起来,但他不喜欢自由主义者和志愿者各自为政,没有组织起来协调行动以摆脱我们社会中的邪恶结构。
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24:04 现在是一个政治上的启示时刻,人们开始看到政府如何使用他们的钱。
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25:13 了解身体中不同激素和分子的作用,如何影响和塑造你的个人基督教生活,例如理解罪、人际关系、冲突、医治冲突、避免冲突和解决创伤?
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25:37 精神方面非常重要,但很多人因为我们所处的环境而面临身体上的挣扎,这让我感到非常难过。
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26:07 虽然耶稣基督和他的救赎是无法替代的,但当有人因为SSRI药物或有害激素的涌入而受苦时,我知道他们本可以从中受益,这让我很难过。
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26:39 耶稣创造了这些化学物质是有原因的,发现他设计了这些物质来帮助你拥有平衡、清晰的头脑,这并不是对耶稣的否定。
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26:39 基督教中借用了二元论,认为身心或身体和精神是分离的,但基督教的观点是它们更加相互关联。
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27:09 认为甲状腺问题就意味着否定魔鬼,这是一种错误的二分法。
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27:20 有些化学物质会让你更容易受到邪魔的影响,而有些化学物质会让你更平静。
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27:42 按照上帝的方式生活会带来祝福,例如女性在怀孕期间会产生更多的孕酮。
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28:09 拥有更多的孕酮对身体有什么好处?
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28:20 孕酮是身体中最具保护性的物质,拥有更多的孕酮会让你更有活力,活得更久。
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29:15 孕酮有很多作用,例如与内毒素结合,对大脑具有神经保护作用。
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29:42 人们应该通过食物还是补充剂来增加孕酮?或者他们应该直接服用孕酮?
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30:01 直接服用孕酮更有帮助。
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30:49 孕酮缺乏会导致组胺样症状,例如对食物变得非常敏感,无法再耐受牛奶或麸质。
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31:13 孕酮更多的是一种镇静剂,可以消除压力感。
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31:40 从基督教的角度来看,应该如何看待雌激素?
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32:09 雌激素是一种压力激素,在堕落之前可能就存在,但在堕落之后,它开始造成破坏。
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32:32 过量的雌激素是否会导致创伤、冲突和攻击行为?
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32:32 雌激素确实会导致女性更具攻击性。
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32:47 压力会让人更具攻击性。
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33:27 当我们开始考虑到内分泌系统在接收侮辱、行为和容忍度方面所起的作用时,很多事情都可以得到更好的控制。
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33:56 利用我们所拥有的知识来影响我们的行为并没有错,这并不是反基督教的,而是实现基督教。
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34:20 你应该为你的羊群配备工具,告诉他们如何通过解决雌激素问题来改善夫妻关系。
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34:34 现在你意识到实际上是化学物质让你有那些感觉。
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34:58 自闭症是一个很好的案例研究,可以帮助你理解激素可以带来的行为改变。
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34:58 血清素水平升高会显著改变你的行为。
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Well, we're back for another discussion about bioenergetics and the legacy of Ray Peek building on what he left us. We've enjoyed our shows with him and we've also enjoyed a lot of his followers and we have a returning guest who is one of those, just another Peter. How you doing? 语法解析
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Doing great. How are you? Doing great. So, and I wanted to talk continually with various interlocutors and we're going to do probably like a panel or a round table type thing soon where I want to explore the 语法解析
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For folks who are Christian, who are also interested in the bioenergetic philosophy that Ray P. and many others put together. And a lot of this stuff is still obscure, especially for Americans who are not familiar with some of the Soviet thinkers that Ray was pulling from. 语法解析
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And I don't think you have to buy into the Soviet ideology to be able to chew the fish and spit out the bones of what is not useful and what is useful from some of those folks. But people just by and large are not familiar with those scholars. They're not widely read here in the West yet. So I know that you have an interest in Christianity and bioenergetics, and there's a lot of different ways to map how they work together. 语法解析
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I start with the principle that if we're worshiping God with all of our heart, soul and mind, that would include understanding how biology works. And it should all fit like a glove. It shouldn't be like, well, theology is more important than biology. If it's all under Christ or it's all under God's dominion, then all of it is important and all of it reveals truth kind of in a kind of reciprocal fashion. So how do you see it? Do you see it something like that? 语法解析
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Yeah, I think a big starting point for me, when you read Ray Peet's Critiques of Christianity, he has a big emphasis on Christianity being subverted by kind of a Platonist Gnosticism kind of thing, which I can see that. I can see that being a fair assessment of certain branches. But I also think Aristotle's had a huge influence on the church as well. And so I think a big thing that could be 语法解析
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Helpful with synthesizing the two or maybe not even synthesizing them, but in thinking about them is going back to Aristotle and first principles. Yeah. So go continue with that. So you're you lean towards Aristotle or Plato or how do you what's your tradition and your philosophy that you're interested in? 语法解析
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I'm very interested in Thomas Aquinas, specifically Thomism. I found a lot of benefit from that tradition. And Thomas Aquinas was one of the first to really synthesize Aristotle with Christianity. And he talks about Aristotle as being the philosopher. But I think he does a very good job in bringing those elements together together. 语法解析
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Yeah, just synthesizing them and bringing them to a higher place. And I think a lot of the answer to the question that we're asking can be found in that, especially with the work of later Thomas like Joseph, Joseph Pieper, and even Chesterton I found to be really fantastic on that. 语法解析
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So just map out for folks who are just generally familiar with Aristotle and Christian theology around that, Thomism, and also what you mentioned there with Ray Peet and how that could help us. How can Aristotle and the Thomistic tradition help folks navigate kind of the entry point into how bioenergetics could play in with Christianity in general? 语法解析
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Yeah, from my perspective, there's a big bent in Christianity against reason in general. And I think something that Aristotle and Thomism gives you is the beginning from experience, beginning from reason, which is something that's very peaty to think and begin an experience. And then reason from that to knowledge of God, knowledge of what it means to be human, knowledge of what it means to be in the reality we're in. 语法解析
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When you look at the critique that Ray was making about there's too much Platonism or too much extreme versions of Platonism that has hijacked Christianity, what do you think he meant by that? I think he was… It's hard for me to put words in his mouth, but I think that he saw a strain that was probably more anti-empiricism or more anti… Anti-science is probably not the right way to put it, but… 语法解析
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that was separated from that idea of observing reality and then moving to knowledge from that. Instead, kind of completely would bypass that for maybe the idea of kind of authoritarian, just belief, blind belief, basically. Yeah, I think that could be partly where it's come from, which I think belief and faith is… 语法解析
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Like, I mean, believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. I think that's very important. But I think that rejecting reason because of that is a huge problem. And see, I think it kind of also, it's got a lot of different ways to look at it. I take it from… 语法解析
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kind of an anthropological perspective that you have to study the Bible not just with a theology in mind, but with an anthropology because it's the study of man and the study of God that's revealed. And if you only approach the Bible as you're a human being and you're raised in this Christian infected world, if you're in America or whatever, and so you're like, okay, I'm going to read the Bible. And then you assume when you pick up this book, Bible means this will tell me what God is about. 语法解析
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then that's a theological lens you're presupposing while you read the text. And so you're going to look for theological lessons and insights. Most people don't take an anthropological starting point, right? They don't sit there and say, this book, the Bible, is going to tell me the study of man and the origins of human culture. That's not what we've been trained to see the Bible as. And when you don't have that insight, 语法解析
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like a bifocal approach of both this is a study of God, this will reveal to me the things of God, and this will reveal to me the things about man. And almost if you don't have a study of man undergirding your theology, you won't have an accurate depiction of God from the Bible. Because it's about incarnation, right? It's not about just picking another deity that's disembodied like every other deity. It's about finding this kind of radical subversion of religion that you find in the text. 语法解析
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So, I mean, I know that a lot of people don't approach the Bible as like an isolation to their faith tradition and the rituals and the traditions that they take from their church. But I do think it's important for people to kind of have that as a health, as a healthy kind of guide to how they approach it is to say, well, if this is just telling me about things of God, but I don't even know anything about why we do what we do as humans. 语法解析
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then you don't really have something grounding how to imitate what you learn, right? You could just pick and choose and say, oh, these Amalekites were wiped out. So in today's current events, the people I don't like, they're Amalekites, and they need to be murdered. That's a disembodied theology only, no anthropology, you know, conclusion of reading the Bible. Yeah. 语法解析
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Yeah, and I think something that's really stuck with me over the years has been the beginning to Calvin's Institutes where he says that no one can understand what it means to be human without looking to God. And you can also have no real knowledge of God without knowing what that means to be human. So there's this kind of dual thing where these things are interplaying together, knowledge of God and knowledge of what it means to be human. And those things can't be separated. Right. 语法解析
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Right. So when you look at, again, going back to the sphere of biology, I think in Christian circles, biology became synonymous with 语法解析
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some type of domain that atheists and evolutionists run, right? So whatever we do in there, whether you affirm some type of the establishment biological theories or whether you resist them, you're still kind of functioning with the presupposition that biology is that domain. It is the domain of evolutionists and agnostics and philosophers 语法解析
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scientists that are kind of juxtaposed against the things of God, right? And I think that kind of separation is completely fake. It's completely a psyop that we've done to ourselves and been induced by years of bad thinking about this. And even to this day, you'll have Christians that will say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Christians can do good things in the world of biology, but it's almost like, again, it's 语法解析
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It's like this kind of thing over there that can give us some insight, like how to do surgery better or something, but it's not really like a prime concern of God. Yes. It's almost dirty. You see what I mean? 语法解析
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And a big example of that, I think for me is Francis Collins, who claims to be a Christian, but he's doing kind of the most evil experiments. Here you go. Yeah. That's a great example. And he's lauded in the Christian community as being. He was now they're, now they're kind of being a little more quiet now if they're, if they're, if they're a little bit irritated by the COVID stuff. Yeah. But yeah, that's a great example because he was always lauded as like their favorite intelligent guy in science. 语法解析
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Look what he did. And I think something about Ray Peete's thought about the body being… 语法解析
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holistic or viewing the body, nothing is separated. And I think Christians have to kind of recapture that if we're going to actually make progress in this area, because otherwise you end up with someone like Francis Collins is doing these macabre experiments and there's no real meaning for what he's doing. And I think someone like Georgie Dinkoff too, who is a Christian and is doing these experiments from this 语法解析
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paradigm is a great example of what it could actually look like to start healing things, to start actually, actually the vision and revelation is of a tree with the leaves of the tree being for the healing of the nations. And I think looking to the church for healing when it's not there, something's wrong. Yeah, that is. And it's, and it's sad that, you know, 语法解析
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There's the faith tradition that folks believe about healing, right? And there's some that believe in the healing power of relics and things like that. And then there's some church traditions in America that are like Pentecostal. They're more about belief and if you really believe. And I think all those things have truth to them, right? Like if the power of belief is a real thing and we don't even understand what placebo really is tapping into. 语法解析
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when we see its effect and being able to… I mean, I just saw another story of somebody who had like a lethal form of cancer and he took this experimental drug and it removed everything. The tumors were gone. And then something happened and he… 语法解析
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The drug, the drug was like pulled off the shelves or was found to be not efficacious. And when he believed it, his all of his tumors and everything came back. And then somebody knew he was in a really bad state and they gave him a placebo. I don't know who this maybe this was somebody's Twitter thread that shared this. I don't I can't recall it, but anyway. 语法解析
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I think it was take thiamine. Was that okay? Take thiamine. We'll put it in the link. If you have, if you know what that link is and I'll put it in the notes, but the guy takes the placebo and it goes away completely again, you know, and it's just nothing, but there's a great book about that called how healing works. 语法解析
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And it talks all about how it's a communal belief and all this. So I think all of that is true, but it doesn't mean that our only options are default to whatever the establishment hospital doctor says or do the magic stuff that Christians can do. It doesn't have to be just that, you know, or alternative weird stuff where you just throw random herbs and supplements and you don't know what's going on. Yes. I've seen all three of those things and all three of them frustrate me because I 语法解析
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I mean, there's elements of truth to them, but it's also, I don't see either. All of them is having the full picture. If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. But again, it's, it's part of our kind of compartmentalization culture, you know, where it's okay. Well, what you're doing over there when you pray over people and then the tumor's gone, that's magic religion stuff or fake or whatever people think. Right. And then what you're doing over here where you're doing, um, 语法解析
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alternative supplements, that's that thing. And it's either some people think it's snake oil or some people it's not. And then you have the mainstream, which is I go to my doctor and he tells me what medications to take for my blood pressure or whatever. And most Christians are defaulting there, but some are trickling out in the alternative world with all kinds of hit or miss results, right? And what I like about Ray Peet is you get the sense that he uncovered 语法解析
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a kind of Christian. He wasn't, you know, I know he was influenced by Christians and a lot of, you know, a lot of different ways, uh, heterodox Christians and so forth and Orthodox, but, 语法解析
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I think that he kind of gives you a roadmap to start to put the pieces together for a Christian biology, like a biological underpinning of the claims of the Christian faith. The Christian faith says that death is an enemy, for example. Death is not natural. And I've never heard of any biological guy but Ray Peet and a few others in history that would say something similar. Like, no, your body is not designed to decay. 语法解析
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Your body is meant to be glorified. It's meant… Yeah. Yeah. Like death is not natural. Yeah. It's imposed upon us in some sense. You could say it by the fall and then the after effects of it are all the stressors and all the other things, toxins and… 语法解析
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deficiencies and scarcities and traumas and violence and blah, blah, blah, that create all of these factors that age us or accelerate our demise. But that's not what we were born to do. We were born to live forever, right? We were made to live forever. And I've never heard of any biological approach other than raise that kind of gives you a foundation to map that Christian truth in a biological way. 语法解析
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uh study right so something i've been thinking about too is just ray has this idea or this he knows or he talks about um night being the time when all the biological stressors kind of happen when all the degradation happens and i've just been thinking about the significance of the fact that in the new jerusalem there will be no darkness yeah that's interesting yeah and what does that signify there's no more stress right no more no more uh no more uh 语法解析
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Yeah, antagonists and antagonisms towards life. Yeah. But it's not and it's not the sun at that point. Right. That's giving us light. It's some kind of a pure light. 语法解析
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Christ himself. Yeah. So that's fascinating. But going back to, again, you know, you look at the garden, you see, you know, I've always said, you know, I did keto and carnivore for many years and I was always, there's a side of me that said, you know, I want to be able to get back to the garden. If we were designed to eat in the garden, it can't be so that we are designed to be carnivores primarily. You know what I mean? Maybe that's a way to survive. 语法解析
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But that opens up another question, which I think underpins a lot of Christian presuppositions, a lot of Christians' presuppositions, not Christian's presupposition, which is that our bodies are meant to die. Death is something that we should kind of embrace in a cycle of life way. And so therefore, medicine and our approach to our body's health should be to survive. 语法解析
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you know, mitigate to survive. And it's like, no, I think looking at it from a Christian standpoint, the best is yet to come. We're supposed to go beyond the garden. Right. And so we're supposed to thrive. Do you see that with Ray Pete, that it's not about survival, which is kind of undergirding a lot of people's views of diet, ketogenic, paleo. Let's get back to the way people were scrounging around. They were surviving and that works. 语法解析
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But I don't think our calling is just to survive. There's a time to survive. If you and I get thrown into a gulag, we are going to have to survive on ketogenic. You know what I mean? You know, if you're not getting your proper carrot salad and milk and orange juice, you're going to have to learn how to survive with ketosis. Right? What's that? I just had gruel at that point in the gulag. Yeah, well-cooked oat bran gruel hopefully will be accidentally served and Ray will shine down on it. But 语法解析
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Um, you know, that's, you can't always pick when you have the chance to have a thriving moment. Sometimes you do have to survive, but that's not our biggest calling, right? I think the obsession with trying to go back is a huge problem. Trying to get back to this prehistoric time when supposedly it was this golden age, right? And this has been in philosophy and history. That's been kind of the dominant narrative. Like there was this golden age. Um, Plato talks about this in the Republic, um, 语法解析
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But I think the Christian is meant to look forward. I think we're meant to think about life as being abundant. I think Jesus said something about, I came to bring life. And the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed that grows until it becomes a tree with shade for all the creatures to kind of come under. And so I think this narrative of trying to just get back to, if we could just get back to paleo and 语法解析
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I think that's faulty. I think it's not Christian. Yeah, and that's a pagan approach where the golden age is always an idyllic time in the past, right? Yeah. And that's a time when there was an abundance and there wasn't as much violence and conflict. 语法解析
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Which is just untrue. Right. But also it's a collective remembrance, like Ray and others have said, of times that they've all had when their thyroid and everything else was functioning better. And so their body is… 语法解析
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So you can kind of have a childhood of humanity too. Like I'm thinking, I'm just trying to steel man the pagan mindset, thousands of years going on, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Persians, all these people that wrote down these mythologies and they have a kind of golden age that they each share. And it could be that they're kind of mimetically taking their healthier state and higher energy state of their own childhoods and collectively projecting it back into the past. 语法解析
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But it could also be that, you know, their ancestors do report periods of time in the past where things were good, right? Relative to stressful times. Yeah. The rest comes into the picture. You have the shedding of blood for the remission of sins, the shedding of a sacrifice to atone for the mischievous or stressful agitations that are kind of cascading around the community. 语法解析
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And then what Christianity does is it stops that eternal return of the cyclical where we can only get somewhat back to the golden age. It says, no, the golden age is coming. Right. So you haven't seen anything yet. It's better than the garden. Yes. The new wine will be better. Like you save the best wine to the end. Yeah. That idea. Right. 语法解析
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So that's kind of, and again, how does that kind of, for listeners, that kind of fits with what Ray is saying, right? Ray Peet talks about this, and Vernasky talks about the, and I need to do a deeper dive into his work to give it full justice, but just from what I've seen, there seems to be this idea of this noosphere, and the knowledge of man will help 语法解析
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evolve the planet itself metabolically you know that the planet is an organism that's going to kind of be it's it's it's evolution to a better place is going to be stewarded by humans which again is very in keeping with genesis and the idea that man was meant to be the viceroy of creation yeah not a static animal that's sitting there with this static lifeless collection of atoms called earth 语法解析
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Why have we accepted these paradigms as Christian beliefs when it's not anything to do with Christianity, you know? Yeah, he's meant to care and tend for the garden and spread. Like, he wasn't just meant to stay in the garden. He was meant to cultivate the whole earth. Yeah. Yeah. 语法解析
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And meant to and meant to and meant to heal the earth. Right. And the earth and the animals in it are going to be positively impacted on us reclaiming our bioenergetic thriving state. Right. When we are thinking better, when we are more balanced and and more able to think clear without all these stressors putting these filters on our vision, then 语法解析
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then when we're able to get along better, then we're able to coordinate positive things that I think will actually help the planet. Like what I guess Vernadsky's talking about, this idea that the planet is an organism that is interconnected to we people, human beings. And the choices that we make and the knowledge that we decide to enact upon us 语法解析
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actually can improve the planet. But they have bits of that with the global warming thing, but it's not the same thing. That's more of an apocalyptic death cult. Right. Yeah, I think there's a few ditches you can fall into when you're thinking about this. There's the idea of a false utopia that we create by our own strength. Then there's the idea of everything is just going to collapse and we're polishing brass on a sinking ship. 语法解析
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So I think, yeah, there's dangers of the false utopia because we start thinking that we have all the answers. We can fix everything in our own strength. And I think that can end disastrously. And then there's also, yeah, just the ditch thinking that nothing we do matters at all because it does matter. Right. 语法解析
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And that was the biggest thing that Ray was always advocating. And I don't hear a lot of his supporters talking about, which is he kept saying, you guys have to organize, organize, organize. He said, he said he didn't like how the libertarians and the voluntarists and the agorists and the anarcho communists and the mutualists, they were all doing their own thing and they weren't organizing to coordinate action for good, to get past the evil structures of our society. But, 语法解析
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There's never a time like now with what we see happening. This is an apocalyptic moment for politics where people for the first time are starting to see just exactly what government does with their money. And it's only going to be, you know, I know Elon Musk has his doubters and everything, but he's certainly been a spearhead for revealing things that no one even thought 语法解析
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was possibly going on and he's only just started in a couple weeks so this could be a wild roller coaster of revelation in the next couple years yeah literally unveiling um yeah in that sense yeah that's it's an apocalypse when when you when you look at um 语法解析
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The individual, I want to get to the individual part for a second of some of the intersection between Christianity and bioenergetics. How does understanding the role of these different hormones and, you know, different molecules and things in your body that affect us? 语法解析
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How does that inform and shape your personal Christian life, like understanding sin and relationships and conflict and healing conflict and avoiding conflict and resolving traumas? That word is always used all the time on the Facebook crowd. Trauma, trauma, trauma. There's a trauma for everything. How does understanding the biological side of this help with the spiritual growth process? 语法解析
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Yeah, I think you can't discount the spiritual side at all. But I've seen a lot of people personally who are very connected to their relationship with God, very attuned to the spiritual, very attuned to sin. But they have these physical struggles because of the environment we're in that make it very difficult for them. And it makes me incredibly sad because 语法解析
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I know that there's no substitute for Jesus Christ and his salvation, but when someone's suffering because of an SSRI or because of just the influx of things opposing the beneficial hormones, it's hard for me to watch that and know that they could get benefit. They could deepen that if they were able to have some of those interventions or not be on the SSRIs or that kind of thing. Yeah. 语法解析
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And again, just kind of going back to your original point, 语法解析
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You know, you said not to discount what Jesus does, but Jesus made those chemicals for a reason. So it's not discounting Jesus to discover that he actually designed this or that to help you have a balanced, clear-headed mind. And the balance, again, the intersection, again, this is something that we've borrowed in our Christianity of dualism. There's the mind and body or body and spirit, and those things cannot touch. 语法解析
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They're two different parallel tracks. And it's like the Christian thing is it's much more interconnected, right? And so when Jesus resurrects, he's got a spiritual body, but he's eating fish and he has wounds, right? So he has wounds. There's some type of healing effect that's going on in a physical body, but yet it's spiritually complete. So this idea that, well, if that's a thyroid issue, I'm discounting the devils. I mean, I think that's a totally… 语法解析
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false dichotomy people make, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I think there are, there are chemical things that can open you up to the demonic and there are, there are chemical things that can 语法解析
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make you more at peace. And I think those both of those things are true. And it turns out, too, that there's blessing that comes from walking and living in God's way. So I was thinking about this recently because of the study or just women basically make more progesterone in pregnancy. And the longer or the later you have kids, the more progesterone you will have. And 语法解析
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No one's saying that women have to go out and have 10 kids, but God does say to be fruitful and multiply. And there's something where, oh, there's blessing in doing that. There's actual physical blessing in living that way that comes through these hormones that God created. Wow. Now talk about how that's a blessing for those who are not familiar with that. How is having more progesterone as you have children and you're older, as you get older, how does that in your mind count as a blessing? 语法解析
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Obviously, the kids are a blessing, but I mean what you were saying, that benefit that you're talking about there. Progesterone is basically the most protective substance in the body. And so having more progesterone just… 语法解析
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It makes you more alive. It makes you live longer. It's kind of incredible. I'm kind of obsessed with progesterone, to be honest. So what does that, so for folks who are new, I always try to keep it so multi-track. So what does progesterone do for the body that makes it protective against all these types of deleterious effects and factors in your body? 语法解析
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It has so many effects. It's able to bind to endotoxin, which is a huge stressor in the body. So many people die because of elevated endotoxin. It's able to… That's what causes, from what I understand, that's the main driver of things like insulin resistance and diabetes is endotoxin, right? It causes massive issues, yeah. Yeah, and so it's also very neuroprotective of the brain. 语法解析
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Um, yeah, it just has so many wide ranging systemic effects that I don't think I could list them all. Now, do you think it's best for people to get their progesterone increase through foods they eat or supplements, or do you think they should take progesterone directly? And I mean, you know, as your own personal opinion, in my opinion, um, there's a lot of people that aren't willing to take progesterone, um, because it's a hormone and they're reluctant to try that. Um, 语法解析
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There are a lot of natural progesterone like substances, especially in oranges. So orange juice, that kind of thing. I would, I think actually taking progesterone is much more helpful in my experience. Taking it directly? Yes. Do you like progest-E from Dr. Ray Peet and his team? 语法解析
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I do like Progesti. I've noticed recently some issues with estrogenic symptoms, and I've heard this from multiple people with recent batches of it. So I tend to gravitate more towards a different product, but yeah. Yeah. So what do people notice? How does one notice if… 语法解析
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if they're deficient in progesterone, they have excess estrogen, what will they notice if they get a good quality progesterone supplement or something? What are some of the experiences they'll notice? So a big thing for me is histamine-like symptoms. And I think this is really common in a lot of women. You start becoming very sensitive to a lot of foods. And this will happen to a lot of girls as they're hitting puberty. I've been seeing this more. Basically, you won't be able to tolerate 语法解析
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milk or gluten anymore. So taking progesterone can actually help with that. And then for me, especially it's histamine symptoms. Basically, progesterone will just knock that out right away. So does it have an experience? Does it change your mindset when you take it? Does it give you euphoria or relaxed feeling? Or what's the feeling when you feel like you're deficient in progesterone and you start taking it? 语法解析
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I feel very stressed. Like, I have a sensation in my forehead where I know I'm stressed, and taking progesterone basically gets rid of that. I'd say I get more euphoria from pregnant alone than from progesterone. Progesterone's more calming. What do you think is the Christian take, or the biblical or Christian, whatever word you want to use, approach to estrogen? Um… 语法解析
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as a thing? I don't, I honestly don't know. I've thought about it, um, because it is a stress hormone, right? Um, and I think it would have been present before the fall, but in the right proportion, it would have, it wouldn't have had its proliferative effects that it has now and causing like so many issues that it does. So I think maybe because of the fall, it starts to wreak havoc. Um, yeah. Um, do you think that, um, 语法解析
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Excess estrogen drives much of the traumas, the conflicts, the aggression, or is it not the main culprit in terms of chemical excess that people are experiencing? I really think it does. I mean, there's multiple things that are driving it, but I've read some studies on basically estrogens masculinizing the effect on women that it has. And this is especially seen with the birth control pill. 语法解析
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So it does cause women to be more aggressive. For men, I think it has a slightly different effect. But I still think having that, I think stress more than anything will make you more, make you more combative. Yeah. 语法解析
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So all of those hormones, again, we can't stress this enough in my opinion. I want folks to understand that there's always going to be conflict. There's always going to be people who, if you work in a job, they're going to want to have a rivalry with you or whatever. 语法解析
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They're going to have competing desires and wanting to think that they don't like your personality type. But a lot of these things can really be brought under a lot more control when you start taking into account the role that these endocrine system plays in how you receive insults, your behavior, 语法解析
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tolerance for insults, your, or whatever it is, you know, arguing, aggression, whatever, these things can be regulated when we have mastery over these different chemical signals in our body. And that, that I think, you know, is not a separate topic from Christianity and spiritual discipline. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's nothing wrong with using this knowledge that we have to actually impact our behavior. Right. 语法解析
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It's not anti-Christian, if that makes sense. It's fulfilling Christianity, right? Because how can you sit there and say, I'm going to pray for you because you have this horrible conflict going on, but you're not equipping your sheep and your church with the tools that, oh, actually, you know, you and your spouse could get along better if you'd fix your estrogen problems or this thing or that thing, and here's how you do it. 语法解析
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And all of a sudden you don't think of it as, oh, it's just this person that's just so toxic or this trauma from some childhood event that's so insurmountable. Now you realize actually it was chemicals making me feel those ways. 语法解析
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Right? It's a filter. Yeah. And if you think about autism as a good case study for how it affects behavior, I think that can help you kind of conceptualize the change that hormones can make in that. Oh, what estrogen in particular, just all various things. Especially elevated serotonin. Yeah. Which is something you see. Yeah, it really changes your behavior significantly. And there's, that doesn't mean that someone with autism can't 语法解析
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change their behavior through Christianity. I've seen it happen. I've seen like a lovingness come from that, but it makes it much more difficult. Have you seen that show with that girl that has the Tourette's and she's always yelling and calling people bald and stuff? Have you seen it? I haven't. Netflix or something. She was on TikTok before that, but she's always shouting out expletives at people. I wonder what that has to do. I wonder what Ray Pete would, he would probably put her on the carrot salad. 语法解析
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You know, I didn't even put her on progesterone. That's my, yeah. So I really appreciate all these kind of sketch of ideas that we've, we've discussed today and I want people to follow your work. So how can they follow what you've got going on or any sites that you'd like to promote? So my handle on Twitter, I think is I am just a Peter and just another Peter is basically my username. All right. Well, I appreciate your time. It's always great talking. Thank you. That was a blast. Yeah. Thanks. 语法解析
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And you can go to our website, a neighbors choice.com or email us. Hello at a neighbors choice.com. If you have a guest suggestion or recommendation for a topic, we'd love to hear from you. Okay. 语法解析
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