Ep. 99 Interview Danny Roddy_ The Wisdom of Ray Peat

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hey everyone welcome to the quacks

大家好，欢迎来到庸医

podcast

播客，

so today i have on danny roddy

所以今天我有关于丹尼罗迪

the myth the legend

的神话传说

danny is a a repeat guy if you've never

丹尼是一个重复的人，如果你从未

heard of him

听说过他，

he interviews ray pete and georgie

他

dinkoff quite often on his own podcast

经常在他自己的播客上采访雷皮特和乔治丁科夫，

it's a great show

这是一个很棒的 节目，

so this is going to be a bit of a repeat

所以这将是一个重复的

subject matter episode that's for sure

主题剧集，这肯定是

i first talked to danny back in 2015 or

我第一次和丹尼交谈是在 2015 年

so when he was getting his patreon going

左右，当时他正在让他的 patreon 开始工作，

and he was starting to do coaching now

并且

at the time danny was well known for his

在丹尼众所周知的时候他现在开始做教练 因为他的

book which was titled hair like a fox a

书的标题是像狐狸一样的头发

bioenergetic view of pattern hair loss

模式脱发的生物能量学观点

i'd read the book at the time and it was

我当时读过这本书，它

an alternative explanation of balding i

是秃顶的另一种解释，我

found it very interesting uh the

发现它非常有趣 呃

mainstream explanation is genetics and

主流解释当然是遗传学和

androgens of course but danny came at it

雄激素 danny

from this ray pete perspective which was

从这个 ray pete 的角度来看它，

uh really cool it was really refreshing

嗯，真的很酷，真的很令人耳目一新

and it got a lot of people's

，激发了很多人的

imaginations fired up

想象力，

i still think his book is a great

我仍然认为他的书很好地

introduction to some of rey's concepts

介绍了 rey 的一些概念

and how they can be applied to physical

和 h 现在它们可以应用于身体

symptoms so if you are interested in

症状，所以如果你有兴趣

reading it i will have it in the show

阅读它，我现在会把它放在演出

notes

笔记

now danny uh he's got a really

中 danny 呃，他有一个非常

interesting backstory uh which we will

有趣的背景故事，我们

get into he was actually in a band

将深入了解他实际上是在一个

called dakota that was signed by island

名为 dakota 的乐队中签名的 根据

records back in the early 2000s i think

2000 年代初期的 island 唱片，我认为

he was the bassist but there are

他是贝斯手，但有

music videos of him like playing music

他的音乐录影带喜欢演奏音乐之类的

and stuff it's really cool you can still

东西真的很酷你仍然

find it um anyways all that is to say

可以找到它嗯无论如何所有这就是说

you know i feel very privileged that he

你知道我感到非常荣幸他

came on the podcast and the knowledge he

来了 在播客以及

shares of his experience with pete

他与皮特和校长分享他的经验的知识

and the principals it's just awesome so

这真是太棒了所以

enjoy the show

享受这个

all right everybody welcome to the

节目吧每个人都欢迎来到

quacks podcast it is my pleasure to

庸医播客我很高兴

introduce danny roddy onto the show

将丹尼罗迪介绍到节目中

feels like it's been

感觉

something that should have happened a

这是应该的 很久以前发生过，

long time ago but i'm glad that it's

但我很高兴

happening now danny welcome to the show

现在发生了丹尼欢迎来到这个节目

better late than never thanks for having

迟到总比没有好感谢你让

me on lucas yeah man i'm super happy to

我在卢卡斯是的，我很高兴

have you on we were chatting a little

有你在我们聊天

bit uh before we started about uh how

在我们开始之前有点呃呃

you know we kind of have some og roots

你怎么知道我们

back in the day on your patreon i was

在那天在你的 patreon 上有一些 og 根源我

one of your patreons uh subscribers and

是你的 patreon 订阅者之一

i was asking you what tests i should get

我问你我应该

to follow on the repeat path like should

在重复时进行哪些测试 就像

i you know and you were telling me like

我应该知道的路径，你告诉我

prolactin and uh

催乳素和呃

i remember what i appreciate yeah those

我记得我很欣赏那些

i love lab tests because

我喜欢实验室测试的人，因为

i think they take uh they ground a

我认为他们采取呃他们将一个

person's health problem and kind of

人的健康问题和

empirical information about their own

关于他们自己

body

身体

and so whenever

的经验信息等

somebody is saying oh i have this

有人说哦，我有这个

problem i have that problem i think it's

问题 我有那个问题 我认为这是

a great way to cut through a lot of

一个很好的方式来消除很多

nonsense and get to the heart of what's

废话并了解正在发生的

going on for example take prolactin i've

事情的核心 例如服用催乳素 我已经

talked to people that were meticulously

和像每个人一样精心编辑的人交谈过

editing like every little bit about

关于

their diet for months

他们几个月的饮食

and for whatever reason they were

，无论出于何种原因，他们

interesting getting lab tests and then

对进行实验室测试很感兴趣，然后

maybe like three or four months later

可能三四个月后

they decided to get a prolactin test

他们决定进行催乳素测试

and that number maybe should be around

，这个数字可能应该是

five and their level would be like 50

第五轮，他们的等级会是 50

and so if they had known that previously

，所以如果他们之前知道的话，

it would have saved them

那会为他们省去

a lot of heartache and a lot of wasted

很多心痛和浪费的

time you know and so that's that's why i

时间，你知道的，这就是我

love them so much yeah yeah uh

如此爱他们的原因是的，是的，嗯，

definitely uh the tests

绝对是 测试

give you a

让你

uh grounding in in what you're actually

对你实际在做什么有一个 呃 基础

doing i've been doing microbiome tests

我一直在做微生物组测试

have you ever done one of those uh i

你有没有做过其中之一 我

went through many natural paths and they

经历了许多自然路径 他们

probably

可能

asked me to do one of those but i can't

让我做其中一个但我不能

recall ever actually doing one to be

记得曾经真的做过一个

honest yeah maybe maybe we'll chat about

老实说是的，也许我们会讨论

that so before we get started uh with

这个，所以在我们开始之前

with that let's can we give like a brief

，让我们简要介绍

background of your health journey

一下你的健康之旅，

because i know you did carnivore for a

因为我知道你做了

year and you were in a band

一年的食肉动物，你是 在一个乐队

and that kind of shaped how you viewed

中 那种塑造了你

the body and health so let's let's go

对身体和健康的看法 所以让我们

through a little bit of that for people

为那些不知道的人

who don't know yeah this is like a 45

来看看这就像一个 45

minute story so

分钟的故事 所以

think it starts shortly after high

认为它在高中后不久开始

school

and

，

i think i just have an issue with stress

我 我想我只是有问题 压力

like my whole time in school like even

就像我在学校的整个时间一样，

if we were given presentations in the

即使我们在课堂前面进行了演示，

front of class my legs would be shaking

我的腿也会

you know uncontrollably even if i knew

无法控制地颤抖，即使我知道

the subject like i was prepared

这个主题，就像我准备好

and then the same thing with tests like

了一样，然后在测试中同样如此，比如

i'd failed tests that i had studied just

我没有通过测试 我已经学习

a huge amount for

了大量的东西

and so

，所以

i think i was taking like a test senior

我想我正在参加高

year or something and i was like

年级考试或其他事情，我喜欢

scratching my head and a bunch of hair

挠头，桌子上有一堆头发

fall and dandruff was happening on the

掉落和头皮屑

table and

，

i think that kind of started this fear

我认为那种开始 这种

of losing my hair even though it was

害怕失去头发的恐惧，即使当时这

like completely unjustified at the time

完全是不合理的

and uh okay so fast forward i graduate

，嗯，好吧，

high school i start playing in bands

我高中毕业就开始玩乐队

and i finally get an opportunity to be

，我终于有机会

in a band that is a bunch of members are

加入一个由一群成员组成的乐队

all really dedicated

真的很敬业

and so uh

，所以呃

i'm trying to figure out how to make

我正在努力弄清楚如何让

this story not 45 minutes anyways

这个故事不是 45 分钟，反正

we

we get signed island deaf gym

我们签了孤岛聋人健身房

uh i start taking my health really

呃我开始认真对待我的健康

seriously

i i don't want to be the only bald guy

我不想成为乐队中唯一的秃头

in the band and so i start modifying my

和 所以我开始

diet in a bunch of different ways

以各种不同的方式改变我的饮食

and for whatever reason i'm just

，无论出于何种原因，我只是

convinced that the the typical here uh

相信

story you hear about hair loss is not

你听到的关于脱发的典型故事是不

accurate like it doesn't make sense to

准确的，因为它对我来说没有意义

me

and so i go through like veganism

，所以我经历了 像素食主义

vegetarianism veganism carnivore like

者素食主义素食主义食肉动物喜欢

meat and water style carnivore like the

肉和水风格的食肉动物像

sean allah sean baker or charles

肖恩阿拉肖恩贝克或查尔斯

washington

and probably like 2008 and nine like a

华盛顿可能喜欢 2008 和九就像

long time ago

很久以前

and then

然后

i think i had like some in between years

我想我喜欢一些

where i had no idea what i was doing

在我不知道我是什么的年份 做

maybe i was like including starches into

也许我喜欢在

my nutrition and things like that and

我的营养中加入淀粉之类的东西

then i think i came over upon ray's work

然后我想我

maybe late 2011 or no no late 2010 early

可能在 2011 年末或 2010 年末没有在 2011 年初开始研究雷的工作

2011

and then it was a big buy-in you know

然后这是一个很大的买入你知道

because i had no idea what he was

因为我不知道 他在

talking about with anything but he was

谈论什么，但他在

talking about hormones like prolactin

谈论催乳素之类的激素

and i had just so happened i had a like

，我碰巧我有一个

a 15 nanograms per milliliter prolactin

像 15 纳克/毫升的催乳素

test that a gp had taken a long time ago

测试，这是一个 gp 很久以前做过的

and anyways so so i go through all these

，无论如何，所以我去了 gh所有这些

dietary different modalities i feel i

不同的饮食方式我觉得我

feel like that all of them fail

觉得他们都失败了

miserably and i'm very good at sticking

，我非常擅长

to certain diets i could literally eat

坚持某些饮食我可以吃

tree bark you know if i thought it was

树皮你知道如果我认为这是

the healthiest diet and then i reached

最健康的饮食然后我

repeat and he's like this merger of all

重复了 他就像是所有

these worlds from like philosophy to

这些世界的融合，从哲学到

nutrition to being a humble and cool guy

营养再到成为一个谦虚而酷的人

just in general kind of mysterious you

，你知道的，总的来说有点神秘

know

and i just haven't found anything more

，我只是没有找到

compelling than his work his idea and

比他的作品更引人注目的东西，他的想法，

i'm i'm reluctant to say it's his you

我是 不愿意说是他的，你

know it's otto warburg albert st georgie

知道这是奥托瓦尔堡阿尔伯特圣乔治

william f coke a lot of other han

威廉 f 科克很多其他人汉塞利耶

seliyer

he's just kind of an aggregation of all

他只是所有这些人的集合，

those people and adding things to his

并将他

own to to those ideas

自己的东西添加到这些想法中，

so

所以

i i'm just enamored with him i'm an

我只是迷恋上了 他，我是一个

amber i know he's just like a man you

琥珀，我知道他就像一个你认识的人，

know but i just think he's a

但我只是认为他

a person you don't come around very

是一个你不

often and the dude saved my life so i'm

经常出现的人，这家伙救了我的命，所以

just super thankful to him and i

我非常感谢他，我

see him as a teacher to learn a lot of

认为他是 一个能学到很多生活知识的老师

things about life

yeah so when you say he saved your life

是的，所以当你说他救了你的命时，

i don't know if i know that part of it

我不知道我是否知道它的那一部分，

like uh like uh

就像呃，呃，

i don't know what i would have done uh

我不知道我会做什么，

like so after carnivore i started

呃，在食肉动物之后，我开始

including starches and things and my

包括淀粉和东西，我的

digestion was just a complete nightmare

消化是 简直是一场噩梦，

like i had just had chronic diarrhea 24

就像我刚刚患上慢性腹泻 24

7. and i was living with people and i

7. 我和别人住在一起，

was like running to the bathroom every

我就像每隔

like 20 30 minutes ooh yikes and

20 30 分钟就跑去洗手间，哦，哎呀

and then i was i know there's a spectrum

，然后我就知道

of depression you could like from

你可能会喜欢一系列的抑郁症 从

suicidal to euphoria you know

自杀到欣快，你知道，

but i think i was just miserable and so

但我认为我只是悲惨，所以

i i mean saving my life in that i hadn't

我的意思是挽救我的生命，因为

tried everything when i got to him

当我找到他时我没有尝试过一切

i was like this is a whole new paradigm

我就像这是一个

that i have no idea about and i've

我不知道的全新范式，我 已经

and it seems like it's going to take a

并且似乎需要

long time to learn what he's talking

很长时间才能了解他在说

about and so he just reinvigorated my

什么，所以他只是重振了我

spirit of learning

的学习精神，

and

uh gave showed me a road that i didn't

呃给了我一条我不知道存在的道路，

know existed you know and so again just

你知道，所以再次只是

i just don't know where i'd be without

我只是 不知道没有他我会在哪里

him just because he's

仅仅因为他是

gave me so much purpose and meaning to

同性恋 对我的生活有如此多的目的和意义，

my life i think yeah so if someone has

我想是的，所以如果有人

no idea who ray is and maybe this is a

不知道雷是谁，也许这是一项

tall task uh but could you summarize

艰巨的任务，但你能总结

what you think are the most important or

一下你认为他的工作中最重要或最

relevant aspects of his work are to

相关的方面是什么

understand because i definitely have

因为我肯定有

some listeners who you know they're

一些听众你知道

they're like listening to me and they're

他们喜欢听我说他们

like okay you know i came on with the

很好你知道我开始研究

microbiome stuff and i don't really

微生物组的东西我真的不

understand you know what ray pete's all

明白你知道雷皮特的全部

about

内容

yeah that would be a really tall task oh

是的 这将是一项非常艰巨的任务哦，

so one he's 86 i think he just turned 86

所以他 86 岁了，我想他

in last month wow so he

上个月刚满 86 岁哇，所以他

is very old you know and has lots of

很老了，你知道，有很多

experience you know i think of myself of

经验，你知道我认为自己

having perspective in the health world

对健康世界有看法

and i'm 36 so i like getting into health

，我是 36 所以我喜欢

stuff in my early mid 20s early 20s

在我 20 岁出头的 20 岁出头的时候进入健康领域

and then seeing different fads come and

，然后看到不同的时尚来

go and come and go and come and go you

来去去，来来去去，你

know so just imagine how much

知道的，所以想象一下

perspective he had about things uh but i

他对事情的看法，嗯，但我

think his his big claim to fame is um

认为他很重要 声名鹊起是嗯

similar to what otto warburg and

类似于奥托瓦 rburg 和

albertson georgie said that a cell needs

albertson Georgie 说，细胞需要

energy for all of its like day-to-day

能量来完成所有类似的日常

tasks but it also needs energy to

任务，但它也需要能量来

maintain its structure

维持其结构

and then cells form tissues and tissues

，然后细胞形成组织，组织

form organs and organs form you and so

形成器官，器官形成你，

that's kind of like his holistic

这有点像他的 整体

perspective

is focusing in on the energetics of the

观点专注于细胞的能量学

cell and how to like optimize that

以及如何

process in a the bad environment that

在我们所处的恶劣环境中优化该过程

we're in

and uh and like um maybe a easier way to

，呃，喜欢 嗯也许更简单的

think about that is like trying to mimic

思考方式就像试图

the metabolism of like a healthy young

模仿新陈代谢一样 一个健康的

child and i don't know how many healthy

小孩子，我不知道现在有多少健康的

young children there are these days but

小孩子，但

maybe back in the 50s or something we

也许回到 50 年代，或者我们

could think about a healthy 10 year old

可以考虑一个健康的 10

and i i think the outstanding features

岁孩子，我认为年轻人的突出特点

of youth

is like a high pulse rate high

是脉搏率高

temperature a warm body temperature

高温 温暖的体温

obviously lots of energy creativity um

显然有很多能量 创造力 嗯

not like in a heroic effort to get to

不像英勇的努力

sleep at night you know as okay like

在晚上入睡 你知道的很好，就像

yeah

是的

just all these things that are youth

所有这些都是

oriented features that are lost during

面向青年的功能 lo

the adultification process and so

在成人化过程中

that's the gist of it just like the

，这就是它的要点，就像

energetics or by the bioenergetics or

能量学或生物能量学

like the

一样，或者像

how energy animates life i think is the

能量如何使生命充满活力，我认为是

short of it yeah i think it might be

它的缺点是的，我认为

useful also to compare it with what he

将它与他的善良进行比较也可能有用

is

kind of speaking against

反对，

because a lot of his news letters and

因为他的很多新闻信件

his articles are

和文章都

pointing out like this is what this is

指出，这

the way people think or or doctors or

就是人们的想法或医生或

whatever they think about health this is

他们对健康的看法，这

what what they think about the body and

就是他们对身体的看法，

this is actually the truth so maybe you

这实际上是事实 所以也许你

could kind of flesh that out a little

可以稍微充实

bit

一下，

yeah i guess the the doctor view um or

是的，我猜医生的看法嗯

the heroic cut burn poison model of like

或英雄般的切割烧伤毒药模型，

of restoring health i i think that's

比如恢复健康我认为这

more genetic focus so like the genes

更注重基因，所以就像基因一样，

um

they determine the health of the cell

它们决定了细胞的健康

and that determines the health of the

这决定了你的组织和器官的健康状况，

tissues and the organs and in you

and so i think he's saying like similar

所以我认为他所说的

to what han sully said like the the

类似于 han sully 所说的，就像

system will try to adapt and given the

系统将尝试适应并考虑到

circumstances and so

情况等等

like if you don't eat for a long time

就像如果你长时间不吃东西，

your adrenals are going to release first

你的肾上腺会首先释放

adrenaline and to mobilize glycogen out

肾上腺素，并动员

of the liver to restore the blood sugar

肝脏中的糖原来恢复血糖

and then when that's low

，然后当血糖过低时，

it's going to break down the tissues via

它会通过皮质醇分解组织

cortisol to to bring up the blood sugar

以提高血糖水平 血糖

and so

，所以

i think of life is just this like long

我认为生活就像

series of adaptations

一长串的适应

and that that's just like not super

，这就像不是超级

compatible with i guess the modern

兼容我猜现代

medical approach that you're a rusty old

医学方法，你是一辆生锈的

car and you're just breaking down every

旧车，你每年都在抛锚

year and you need to be like uh you're

你需要像呃，如果

not biologically complete without

没有

pharmaceutical intervention or something

药物干预或类似的东西

like that i don't even they're stuck so

，你在生物学上是不完整的，我什至不认为他们如此

crazy i don't even i don't even know

疯狂我什至不

what they think and so it's just like

知道他们在想什么

the farthest thing away from like a

最远的事情

holistic view of what a what a person is

是对一个人是什么

and how to

以及如何

maintain health and how to regain health

保持健康以及如何恢复健康

and so

等等的整体看法

and then also

，

and he answered a question you didn't

然后他回答了一个你没有问过的问题，

ask but rey's therapies are so like

但雷的疗法很

simple and that's another reason i

简单，这是另一个 原因我

really enjoy his content it's not like

真的很喜欢他的内容，这并不像

uh

呃

overwhelming obviously the system is

压倒性的，显然系统

very complex but i think i don't think

非常复杂，但我认为我不

the therapies are very complex

认为疗法非常复杂

and we can talk about that but i just i

，我们可以谈论它，但我只是

love the the obviously the system is

喜欢显然系统很

complex but the the therapies they don't

复杂但疗法 它们

have to be the most complicated things

不一定是世界上最复杂的东西

in the world

，是的，

yeah i i have a real similar story to

我有一个与你真正相似的故事，

you you know i was kind of jumping from

你知道，我正在

thing to things in a similar way trying

尝试这种饮食方式，以类似的方式从一件事跳到另一件事，

this diet i mean at one point i was

我的意思是在某一时刻我正在

following this like hair mineral testing

遵循这个 就像

guy back in 2010 and like his diet was

2010 年的头发矿物质测试人员一样，就像他的饮食

like vegetables and meat and

就像蔬菜和肉一样

the only carb you could have was blue

，你唯一能吃的碳水化合物是蓝色

corn because blue corn was somehow

玉米，因为蓝色玉米在某种程度上很

special

特别

and and i just remember when i started

，我只记得当我开始

reading ray pete it's like he brought

阅读雷皮特时，就像他把

everything together you know he he had

所有东西都放在一起 你知道他有

this bottom up

这种

top-down kind of like this is you know

自下而上自上而下的那种你知道

this is where energy is this is like he

这是能量的地方就像他

have these two systems of energy you

有这两个能量系统你

have this thyroid driven energy and you

有甲状腺驱动的能量你

have this like stress driven energy and

有这样的压力 被驱动的能量

this thyroid-driven energy creates

这种由甲状腺驱动的能量

complexity in life and that moves you

在生活中创造了复杂性，这会让你

towards creativity and um it's it's a

走向创造力，嗯，这是一种

very forward-moving type of energy and

非常向前移动的能量，

then there's this other energy this

然后还有另

stress energy that kind of uh makes you

一种能量，这种压力能量，呃让

come in on yourself it makes you

你自己进入 它让你

defensive it makes you angry it makes

防御它让你生气它让

you you know and so it was it's just

你知道所以

like this oh i'm trying to go towards

就像这样哦，我正试图朝着

that direction and not this other

那个方向而不是另一个

direction and

方向前进

he was then able to take

然后他能够服用

different neurochemicals you know

不同的神经化学物质，你知道

dopamine versus serotonin he was able to

多巴胺与血清素 他能够

take different supplements and fit them

服用不同的补充剂并将它们

into those boxes and it was like oh this

装入那些盒子里，就像哦

is so much easier to understand

，

after he put this all together yeah you

在他把所有这些放在一起之后，这更容易理解是的，你

explain it better than i do

比我解释得更好，

i thought it was very it was very good

我认为这是非常好的，

yeah complexity like uh versus kind of a

是的复杂性 就像呃对

slime like metabolism primitive stuff

像新陈代谢原始的东西一样的

yeah that's that's that's very important

粘液是的，这是非常重要的

and that's again that gets to the heart

，这再次

of everything that he's talking about

触及了他所谈论的一切的核心，

yeah so one of the things that i loved

是的，所以其中之一

that he introduced me to

他向我介绍的我

were

that

it's like these things were stressful

喜欢的事情是，这些事情就像

that i didn't know were stressful

我不知道的压力

like x-rays like i knew x-rays weren't

一样，就像 X 光片一样有压力，就像我知道 X 光片

good for you but i didn't understand

对你不好，但我不

that it was like no there's no amount of

明白 就像没有多少

x-rays that are good for you until ray

X 射线对你有好处，直到

ray said look you know at a cellular

射线说看你知道在细胞

level x-rays at any level are not good

水平上的 X 射线在任何水平上都不好

so

what are some of the things that rey

所以 rey 说的一些事情是什么对

says are stressful which

normal people you know other than x-rays

正常人来说是有压力的 你知道，除了 X 光

outside of those who study health would

之外，那些研究健康的人

wouldn't know about like like do you

不会知道，就像你有

ever mention like oh this is stressful

没有提到过，哦，这是有压力的

and you see surprise from your viewers

，你会看到观众

or normies or whatnot

或正常人或诸如此类的惊喜，

yeah there are i guess there are a bunch

是的，我猜有很多

of different types of stress like a like

不同类型的压力，比如

a calcium to phosphate ratio of the food

一个人吃的食物的钙磷比例

a person eats and so if they eat

，所以如果他们吃的

significantly more phosphorus than

磷明显多于

calcium they'll like activate their

钙，他们会喜欢激活他们的

parathyroid hormone glands to release

甲状旁腺激素释放

parathyroid hormone and so that's like a

甲状旁腺激素，所以这就像

type of stress you know and

一种压力 你 知道，

and it's of course it's one big system

而且它当然是一个大系统

and it's a complex biochemical web of

，它是一个复杂的生化网络，可以

triggering other hormones like

触发其他激素，如

parathyroid hormone doesn't just act

甲状旁腺激素，不仅

alone or anything like that but

单独起作用或类似的东西，

the way i really think simply about it

而且我真正简单地思考它的方式

and it goes back to what we were talking

，它又回到了我们原来的样子

about with the blood sugar like if the

谈论血糖，比如如果

blood sugar gets too low that's like a

血糖过低，这就像增加肾上腺素的

basic trigger for

基本触发因素一样

increasing adrenaline and as the

，因为

short-term stress hormone and cortisol

短期压力荷尔蒙和皮质醇

is the long-term stress hormone and like

是长期压力荷尔蒙，就像

cortisol activating aromatase and

皮质醇激活芳香化酶

turning testosterone into estrogen and

并将睾酮转化为雌激素和

then estrogen activating the pituitary

然后雌激素激活垂体

to release prolactin or

以释放催乳素或

more acth or fsh lh or whatever

更多的 ath 或 fsh lh 或

but like and so it i i think these

其他类似的东西 所以我认为这些

systems are like trying to um

系统就像试图 嗯

they're just being chronically activated

他们只是

more and more and more as we get older

随着我们变老而越来越多地被慢性激活，

you know and then all of us can

你知道然后

know how

how more amplified the stress response

is since of like march of 2020 you know

自 2020 年 3 月以来，我们

like

almost everybody i talk to these days

所有人

like seems to be dis

都知道压力反应有多么大

doing a lot worse than they were in 2019

比 2019 年做得更糟，

you know like yeah all of our lives have

你知道，是的，我们所有人的生活都

gotten way more stressful with all these

因所有这些

bizarre rules and mandates and things

奇怪的规则和命令之类的事情而变得更加紧张

like that so

，所以

it's just uh

这只是呃

and then thyroid is at the heart of all

，然后甲状腺是所有这些的核心

of that and so keeping the energy

，所以 保持能量

metabolism up or keeping the thyroid up

代谢或保持甲状腺功能

helps a person resist the

有助于一个人抵抗

destructive effects of uh stress so

呃压力的破坏性影响 所以

keeping the adrenaline low keeping the

保持低肾上腺素 保持

cortisol low et cetera et cetera and so

低皮质醇等等

it's kind of like a seesaw like a

这有点像跷跷板 就像

metabolic tug of war of energy versus

能量与能量的代谢拉锯战

the stress substances yeah

压力物质是的，

so if someone was getting into like

所以如果有人开始

repeats philosophy

重复

are there like if you notice that are

哲学，就像你

there different phases that people go

注意到人们经历不同的阶段，

through meaning like you you don't

就像你一样，你通常不会

usually start by like rubbing

像

progesterone doses on your balls

在你的球上摩擦黄体酮剂量

right like that's

that's like a level four like skill or

那样开始 四级技能之类的，

whatever

because i'm sure you've talked to lots

因为我相信你已经和很多

of people who you've introduced rey to

你介绍过 rey 的人谈过了，

so i mean are there different phases

所以我的意思是有不同的阶段

yeah i think everybody goes through that

是的，我想每个人 身体经历了

i mean if you stick to something long

我的意思是，如果你坚持足够长的

enough especially something as deep as

时间，尤其是

kind of ray's work i mean read mind and

像ray的工作

tissue and see how much i don't i mean i

don't understand 90 of what's in that

那样深入的

book you know it's very complex

东西 知道这是非常复杂的

philosophy and he'll say neo-content and

哲学，他会说新内容，

you'll have to look up what that means

你必须查一下这意味着

like what is it all these philosophical

什么，所有这些哲学的东西是什么

things and so

，所以

yeah i think i think somebody will have

是的，我想我认为有人会

a problem they'll say maybe they tried

遇到问题，他们会说也许他们 尝试

low carb where they tried veganism and

低碳水化合物，他们尝试素食主义

that didn't work out as expected

，但没有按预期工作，

or they feel they just had like some

或者他们觉得自己只是有一些

outstanding symptom like coldness in

突出的症状，例如

their extremities or something and then

四肢发冷或其他什么，然后

somehow see georgie and i talking on a

不知何故看到乔治和我在

podcast or something and uh

播客或其他内容上交谈，

and yeah there are

嗯，是的 有

the conversations are just all over the

place from somebody like yourself who is

像你这样的人的谈话无处不

just like a long long-haul ray person

在，就像一个长途跋涉的人，

you know like you've been all around a

你认识的人就像你

long time uh understands the details and

认识很久一样，了解细节，

people like just modifying their

人们喜欢只是修改他们的

nutrition for the first time ever you

营养 你有史以来第一次

know yeah and trying to think uh think

知道是的，并试图思考 呃

of what are what what are what are the

想想什么是

things that are going to provide the

什么 什么是将提供

most like maximum benefit for just kind

最相似的最大利益的东西 只是

of the

less amount of effort you know

你所知道的更少的努力

and it's always amazing because

，这总是令人惊奇的 因为

sometimes somebody that's like in

有时像绝望或自杀之类的人

despair or like suicidal or something

will take some t3 and the next time i'll

会需要一些时间，下次我

talk to them is they'll have a

和他们交谈时，他们会对生活有

completely different perspective on life

完全不同的看法

and they'll be excited to

，他们会很高兴

try all these different types of

尝试所有这些不同类型的

experiments and stuff and i'm thinking

实验和其他东西，我在

to myself like the last time i was

想，就像上次我

trying to convince you not to kill

试图说服你不要自杀

yourself like and now you're

一样，现在你

just the t3 has energized this person

只是 t3 已经给这个人

enough to

足够的活力，

start wanting to figure all this stuff

开始想要弄清楚所有这些

out and so that that's happened enough

东西，所以 这已经发生了足够多的

times to where it's just like a

时间，它就像是

testament of what ray is talking about

射线所谈论的证明，

like getting the system enough energy

就像让系统足够的能量

complexifies and uh

复杂化，呃

activates the person's own orienting

激活人自己的定向

reflex to to figure out the problems

反射来找

themselves and the the best thing is

出问题 自己和最好的事情是

when a person is like uh danny i don't

当一个人像呃丹尼我

need to talk to you anymore and that's

不再需要和你

that's like that's like the best

说话这就是最好的

situation because they're just

情况因为他们只是

self-navigating and they're figuring out

自我导航并且他们正在解决

their own problems by themselves which

自己的问题 靠他们自己

is really the only way i think a person

这真的是我认为一个人可以做到的唯一方法

can do it yeah so is that the best way

是的，所以这是

to start with thyroid or or do you think

从甲状腺开始的最佳方式，或者你认为

well

just dietary stuff is the easiest you

只是饮食是最简单的你

know um

知道的，

like that calcium to phosphate ratio

就像钙磷

that sounds so simple but i think that

比例听起来那么简单 很简单，但我认为这

can make a big difference uh like we

可以产生很大的不同，呃就像我们

talked about in the beginning of the

在电话开始时谈到的，

call like getting lab tests can like ray

比如进行实验室测试，就像雷

has a quote it's like you can't know

有一句话一样，就像你不知道

where you're going unless you know where

要去哪里，除非你知道自己在哪里

you are

and getting lab tests is a great way to

， 进行实验室测试是一个很好的方式来了解

ground where a person is at the the

一个人在你知道的那一刻所处的位置

moment you know and so just good

，所以只有良好的

nutrition maybe some vitamin d which is

营养，也许是一些维生素 d，这

like a extremely hot topic these days

就像一个非常热门的话题

and uh i don't know that carrot salad or

，呃，我不知道胡萝卜沙拉或

something could really

其他什么可以 真的

shift a person in a good direction i

改变了一个人我 我认为这是一个很好的方向，

think so remind me again about the

所以再次提醒我关于

calcium phosphate thing because i

磷酸钙的事情，因为我

haven't read about that in a while

有一段时间没有读到

the short of it is that an excess of

关于它的短消息，即过量的

phosphorus can turn on parathyroid

磷可以启动甲状旁腺

hormone and i didn't know this until

激素，直到最近我才知道这一点

fairly recently it's like one of the

这就像

things ray writes about a lot

雷写了很多东西，

but maybe on the last live stream with

但也许在与乔治和雷的最后一次直播中，

georgie and ray we i was like ray is um

我们就像雷是，

do all roads lead to parathyroid

嗯，所有的道路都会导致甲状旁腺

hormones like all stress lead to that

激素，就像所有的压力都会导致这种情况

and he gave a pretty committal yeah to

，他非常承诺

that

这个

question you know and so i think that's

问题你知道，所以我认为这就是

why it's a good starting place like the

为什么它是一个很好的起点，就像

calcium is a powerful suppressor of the

钙是

parathyroid hormone vitamin d is a

甲状旁腺激素的强大抑制剂维生素 D 是一种

powerful suppressor vitamin k magnesium

强大的抑制剂维生素 k 镁之类的

and things like that and so i think if

东西，所以我想如果

you i could send you papers on it but

你我可以给你寄文件 关于它，但

i think high parathyroid hormone is

我认为高甲状旁腺激素

associated with like the so-called

与所谓的

metabolic syndrome depression like every

代谢综合征抑郁症有关，就像

every problem you can possibly imagine

你可以想象的每一个问题，

like parathyroid hormone it's related to

就像甲状旁腺激素一样，

it in some way i think okay and you get

它以某种方式与它有关 我想可以，你

phosphorus from your diet right i mean

从你的饮食中摄取磷是对的 我的意思是

remind me of some of those foods i know

让我想起一些我知道有

meat is on there no beans are on there

肉的食物，那里没有豆类，

what else is there those are the main

还有什么是主要

ones vegetables beans meats um

的蔬菜豆类肉类嗯

some grains and things like that like

一些谷物之类的东西 就像

you have to go out of your way to get

你必须不遗余力地获取

calcium like that's like that's one of

钙一样，就像那是

the big things about rey's work i think

关于 rey 工作的一件大事，我认为

is trying to incorporate milk or

是尝试加入牛奶或

parmigiano-reggiano cheese or something

帕尔马干酪或类似的

like that and then if those don't work

东西，然后如果这些不起作用

using eggshells or something like that

使用蛋壳 或者类似的东西

uh

and i and i'm not just saying that

呃我和我不仅仅是

because racist or i read it in one of

因为种族主义或者我在

his articles like i that i didn't

他的一篇文章中读到它就像我说我

tolerate milk at all for a long time

很长一段时间都不能忍受牛奶

and uh there's another 30 minute story

而且呃还有另一个30分钟的故事

but i i i solved a lot of significant

但是iii 解决了

problems that i had been carrying around

我多年来一直在食肉动物身上携带的许多重大问题

on carnivore for years with just with

，只是

supplemental calcium like i was shocked

补充钙质，就像我

how powerful it was

对它的强大而感到震惊

and the funniest thing was i thought it

，最有趣的是我认为

was like the most worthless nutrient

它就像有史以来最无价值的营养素

ever like

一样

like out of my way not to get any of it

我尽量不要得到任何它

and here you have ray who i somebody i

，在这里你有一个我

really respected saying it was one of

真正尊重的人说这是

the most important things a person could

一个人每天可以实现的最重要的事情之一

achieve every day is getting a good

就是获得

amount of calcium yeah that that's

大量的钙是的，这很

interesting because

有趣，

a lot of our you know if you ever get

因为 我们很多人都知道，如果你喝过

spring water it always has a decent

泉水，它总是含有相当

amount of calcium in it and i wonder if

数量的钙，我想

part of the reason why we're not getting

知道为什么我们没有

as much calcium as we used to is most

像过去那样获得足够多的钙的部分原因是大多数

people don't drink spring water you know

人不喝泉水 水你知道

they drink

他们喝

tap water or distilled water or ro water

自来水或蒸馏水或 ro 水

and then they add minerals back in but i

，然后他们又添加矿物质，但我

wonder if part of what we were meant to

想知道我们

have in a balancing way is

应该以平衡的方式拥有的部分是

because we drank out of rivers and stuff

因为我们喝了这么久的河流之类的东西

like that for so long

certainly possible and i i don't know i

当然可能，我不知道我

forgot if it's georgia or ray but i

忘记了它是乔治亚州还是雷，但我

think i have never dived into it but i

想我从未深入研究过，但我

think there's research on like hard

认为有关于

water and the health benefits and

硬水和健康益处以及

different areas and so i don't think

不同领域的研究，所以我认为

that's like a a wild guess i think

这不像 aa 疯狂的猜测我认为

you're i think you're actually right

你是我瘦 k 你实际上是对的，

yeah all right so let's talk about uh

是的，所以让我们谈谈

environment because that's definitely

环境，因为我发现这绝对

something i've found is almost more

是我发现在某些方面几乎

important than

比饮食更重要的东西

diet in some ways like if you're in a

，比如如果你在一个

bad environment

糟糕的环境中

what you eat

，你吃

well

it doesn't necessarily always matter if

什么就不一定了 如果

you're in a bad environment but

您处于恶劣的环境中总是很

how important do you think how how

important do you think environment is to

重要，但是您认为环境对

your health like have you found it a

您的健康有多重要，例如您是否发现它是 100 的一个

really big contributing factor

非常重要的促成

to 100

因素，

yeah um so

是的，所以

from danny the person on the call like

来自电话中的丹尼

talking to people like there's obviously

与人交谈，很明显

situations where a person hates their

，在某些情况下，一个人讨厌他们的

lover or hates their job or whatever but

爱人或讨厌他们的工作或其他任何事情，

it's never it's never my role to like

但从来都不是我的角色喜欢

say you get a divorce or quit your job

说你离婚或辞掉工作

or whatever but those those things pop

或其他任何事情，但这些事情总是

up all the time you know

出现在你知道的时候

and then in my limited experience uh i

然后以我有限的经验，呃

i

i talk about san francisco all the time

iii 一直在谈论旧金山

and i don't think if you had given me an

，我不认为你是否给了我

infinite supply of the perfect diet

无限量的完美

whatever that is and the perfect supply

饮食和完美

of thyroid and stuff i don't think i

的甲状腺和 我不认为我

could have been healthy there like it

可以在那里保持健康，因为它

was

not a good place

不是一个好地方

and it and so i concur with what you

，所以我同意你

said i

所说的，我

that that's a that's a really important

认为这是一件非常重要的

thing but also it's like one of the

事情，但它也是

least actionable things for a lot of

最不可行的事情之一 很多

people mm-hmm why so why was it so bad

人嗯嗯为什么那么为什么旧金山这么糟糕

in san francisco

this is a long story um

这是一个很长的故事嗯嗯

the kind of

这种

uh

juxtaposition yeah like the

并列是

juxtaposition of like extremely poor to

的就像极端贫困和

really wealthy

真正富有的

inflated egos there are just out of

膨胀的自我并列有失控

control

um everybody thinking they're doing

嗯每个人都认为他们

god's work when the whole place is like

当整个地方都像一场噩梦一样在做上帝的工作

a total nightmare to to be in like have

就像

you ever been to the tenderloin in san

你去过旧金山的里脊肉

francisco or anything uh i don't think i

或任何东西呃我想我

have it i don't even know what that is

没有它我什至不知道那是

it's just like a poor area where you can

什么 就像一个贫穷的地区，在那里你可以

get like

得到

like i've i've walked to this the train

就像我已经走到这辆火车

there and i've dodged punches twice like

那里，我已经躲过了两次拳头

just some random people trying to punch

就像一些随机的人试图打

you like going to the train there it's

你一样去那里的火车，这

just a miserable place but the the worst

只是一个悲惨的地方 但最糟糕

part was the the technorati was the

的是技术 norati 是

right word intelligentsia types that

正确的词

that were there

，那里的知识分子类型

thought it was just like the best place

认为它就像

on the plan so again it's just this

计划中最好的地方，所以这只是

confluence of insanity and

疯狂的汇合，

i just went there because i i had

我只是去那里，因为我在那里有

friends there and

朋友，

i always talk about it because i think

我总是谈论它，因为我认为

it made a huge impression on me of what

它 我不喜欢的东西给我留下了深刻的印象，

i didn't like because i don't think i

因为我不认为我

really knew what i didn't like about the

真的知道我不喜欢这个

world until i moved there and then

世界，直到我搬到那里然后

coming to mexico is like a breath of

来到墨西哥就像呼吸

fresh air because

新鲜空气，因为

mexico is such a cool spot and mexicans

墨西哥是 这么酷的地方和

are so dope so

墨西哥人太

yeah it just made a big impression on me

兴奋了所以是的，它给我留下了深刻的印象

and

，

yeah there are i can i could go through

是的，我可以

a 20-point list of what i didn't like

列出我不喜欢的 20 点清单，

what we'll talk about talk a little bit

我们将讨论一下 有点

about uh mexico what uh what makes it so

关于呃墨西哥是什么呃是什么让它如此

great and you know what made you choose

伟大你知道是什么让你选择

mexico

墨西哥

so uh yeah at risk of sounding like a

所以呃是的冒着听起来像

fanboy ray was always just talking so uh

粉丝的风险雷总是只是在

favorably about it you know

谈论它你知道

and ray lives about four hours away from

并且雷住在离我大约四个小时的地方

me in a place called muchoicon

在一个叫 muchoicon 的地方

and

，

it's uh so i so i won i could not afford

它是 uh s 哦，所以我赢了，我负担

to live in san francisco it was like a

不起住在旧金山的费用，这就像某个

for a

room

in some

house it would be like i don't know

房子里的一个房间，就像我不知道

fifteen hundred bucks maybe two thousand

1500 美元，也许是 2000

dollars and then if you wanted a solo

美元，然后如果你想要一个单独的

studio you're looking at like three

工作室，你就是 看着像

thousand or thirty five hundred or maybe

三千或三千五百或

four thousand dollars wow and so i was

四千美元哇，所以我

like do i want like

想我想要

90 of my paycheck going to the place i

我的薪水中的 90 到我住的地方去我住的地方

live like that seems pretty brutal so

看起来很残酷所以

when i couldn't afford it two i was

当我买不起时我是

critical of the u.s so in my mind i was

批评我们所以在我看来我很

like well why don't you live outside of

喜欢

the us if you're critical of it and then

如果你批评它为什么不住在我们外面然后

three i'm not joking i i thought if

三个我不是在开玩笑我想如果

another 911 happened in like 2016

另一个 911 发生在像 2016 年

uh i thought the wheels would come off

呃我想 车轮会脱落，

because that was around the trump

因为那是在特朗普

hillary election and i'm pretty

希拉里选举前后，你知道我非常不

apolitical you know and especially in

关心政治，尤其是

that

evidenced on the podcast but i thought

在播客上证明的，但我

people were acting so insane at that

认为当时人们表现得如此疯狂

time that i was like this place uh like

以至于我就像这个地方，呃就像，

even though i played devil's advocate at

即使我 在晚宴上扮演恶魔的代言人

dinner parties and stuff that was

和圣

becoming less and less welcome uh with

呃，随着选举变得越来越不受欢迎了

the election i was like okay danny you

，我还好，丹尼，你

were a novelty before but now you're

以前是个新奇人物，但现在你

making people irate at the dinner table

让人们在餐桌上生气，

so so i was like okay time to time to

所以我想时不时

get out of here because i don't i don't

离开这里，因为我 难道我不

value just appeasing people i value the

重视安抚人们我重视

developing as a person and once i

作为一个人的发展，一旦我

realized that was impossible there i was

意识到这是不可能的，我

you know with all the other bad things

就知道所有其他不好的

about it i was like i want to get out of

事情我就像我想离开

here yeah so so you were at dinner

这里一样是的 所以你在参加

parties and and you just walk in and be

晚宴，然后你走进去，

like hey anybody read atlas shrugged

就像嘿，有人读过阿特拉斯耸耸肩

that's a great book

，这是一

in san francisco you're you're dropping

本旧金山的好书，你正在

the foundation

放弃基础

it's just uh it's like i'm sure you

它只是呃，就像我确定你

experienced this but it's very very

经历过这个，但它是 非常非常

intolerant of any uh other idea than the

不能容忍除了这个人提出的想法之外的任何其他想法

one the person is presenting and that

，那

was just you'd encounter that over and

就是你会一遍又一遍地遇到这种想法

over and over again like if you said

，就像如果你说

anything that they didn't like it was

了他们不喜欢的任何事情

like uh

就像呃

you were some alt-right neo-nazi it was

你是一些alt- 对的新纳粹，

just the is this the weirdest culture

这就是最奇怪的 cu lture

and

和

everybody has the same views so nobody

每个人都有相同的观点所以没有人

knows that it's weird you know like

知道这很奇怪你知道

they're all on the scientology cult

他们都在山达基

together so nobody nobody knows that

崇拜所以没有人

it's it's odd that they think that way

知道他们这样想

yeah it is very strange i mean i i'm

很奇怪是的这很奇怪我的意思是我是

liberal um and so you know i used to

自由主义者 嗯，所以你知道我曾经

vote democrat and i used to be a part of

投票给民主党人，我曾经是他们的一员，

them but it's like well they're not

但现在他们不再是

liberal anymore so now where do i go and

自由派了，所以现在我要去哪里，

and the other side's not liberal either

而另一方也不是自由派

so uh what what do i do you know it is

，那我该怎么办 你知道

it's a very strange situation

这是一个非常奇怪的情况，

exactly like i uh

就像我，呃，

maybe in like 2009 or 10 um

也许在 2009 年或 10 年，

there were some articles saying that

有一些文章说，

like progressive liberal types would

像进步的自由主义者

like march with neo-nazis and say hey i

一样，喜欢与新纳粹分子一起游行，然后说嘿，我

really don't agree with what you're

真的不同意你的看法。” 重新

saying but i'm going to be like damn

说，但我会像该死的

sure you're going to say it you know

肯定你会说它你知道

but that is

但那是

i mean think of that happening now

我的意思现在想想现在

there's no way that would happen now you

发生的事情现在你知道不可能发生

know and and so again i i i'm another

，所以再次ii我是

under the impression that the cia and

另一个 中央情报局和

other

其他

forces have really shaped the culture in

势力真正塑造了罪魁祸首的印象 确实

a different trajectory and so i think

在不同的轨道上，所以我认为

that's what was making it so insane and

这就是让它如此疯狂和

crazy is just all these conflicting

疯狂的原因只是这些人持有的所有这些相互矛盾的

views that these people had held that

观点

made absolutely no sense when put

放在一起时绝对没有意义

together yeah

是的，

yeah this is kind of crazy right now

是的，现在有点疯狂，

well let's uh

让我们呃

let's get back on topic what do you

让我们 回到话题，你怎么看待

think

so speaking of environment like what do

环境，比如

you think people can do how can they

你认为人们可以做什么，他们如何

start getting into a healthier

开始进入一个更健康的

environment because you said like it's

环境，因为你说这

one of the hardest things for people to

是人们最难改变的事情之一，

change you know quit your job get a

你知道辞掉你的工作得到一个

different job uh break up with your

不同的工作 呃 和你的

spouse you know not advocating that for

配偶分手 你知道肯定不会提倡这一点

sure but what can people start to do

但人们可以开始做

yeah the super easy thing might be

什么 是的 超级简单的事情可能是

buying like a 250 watt incandescent

购买一个 250 瓦的

clear bulb and then a like a brooder

白炽灯泡，然后像一个育雏器

and maybe putting that around a work

，也许把它放在工作中

area and shining it on your neck or

区域并将它照在你的脖子上或

something that would be very useful you

一些非常有用的东西 你

know that's a powerful

知道这是一种强大的

anti-stress

抗压力

therapy that can pay big dividends you

疗法，可以带来巨大的收益 你

know light is no joke on how it can

知道光是如何做到

influence the metabolism in lower stress

的 在较低的压力下影响新陈代谢

and then

然后

other things uh

其他事情呃

i think it's good just just good

我认为这是很好的只是很好的

practice to like turn your phone off and

练习喜欢关掉你的手机和

stuff like uh i have a acousticom2 rf

像呃我有一个声学2射频

meter that measures emf from phones and

计可以测量来自手机和

all sorts of devices and like lte phones

各种设备的电动势和像LTE手机一样

give off the most wicked signal like

关闭最坏的信号，就像

you've ever heard you know and i've

你听过的那样，你知道，我

never measured a 5g phone i'm sure it's

从来没有测量过 5g 手机，我敢肯定它

even worse

更糟，

but having those around you all the time

但整天都在你身边

all day is probably

可能是

another type of stress

另一种压力

and and then doing the same with the

，然后做 与计算机相同，

computer maybe plugging into ethernet

可能插入以太网

and turning off wi-fi in the router um

并关闭路由器中的 Wi-Fi

yeah light turning off the the

嗯是的灯关闭

emf stuff um

电动势的东西

yeah i'm sure their other thing and

嗯是的我确定他们的其他事情和

cooking at home i don't know if that

在家做饭我不知道这是否

counts as making the environment better

算作 环境更好，

yeah but that's a huge one you know i

是的，但这是一个很大的问题，你知道

i'm almost really skeptical that

我几乎真的怀疑

somebody will ever fix a health problem

有人会解决健康问题，

if they don't cook like i think that's

如果他们不做饭，我认为这

almost an essential skill that you

几乎是你必须拥有的一项基本技能，

you have to have because

因为

i mean depending on other people for

我的意思是取决于 其他 人们对

your food it's such a basic need and so

你的食物来说这是一个基本的需求，所以

that would be something to watch youtube

这将是

on youtube videos on and try to figure

在 youtube 上观看 youtube 视频并尝试

out as fast as possible yeah it is the

尽快弄清楚的东西是的，这是

whole cooking thing it's funny because

整个烹饪的事情，很有趣，因为

on the podcast i'll talk about things to

在播客上我会谈论事情 为了

make yourself healthier and i've been

让自己更健康，我一直在

cooking for myself for like

为自己做饭，

i don't know like since i was like 15

因为我不知道是因为我 15

years or something so i never even think

岁左右，所以我从来没有

about it like i don't even think like oh

想过，就像我什至不认为哦，

you should talk more about diet lucas

你应该多谈谈饮食 卢卡斯，

because people actually struggle with

因为人们实际上在为自己的饮食而苦苦挣扎，

their diet right like they actually

就像他们真的

go out to restaurants and eat you know

去餐馆吃东西一样，你知道

crappy food and stuff and it's like oh

糟糕的食物和东西，就像哦，

yeah you guys should should cook your

是的，你们应该做饭，

food it's like really good that's a

这真的很好，

that's a foundation

这是一个基础

it's funny you say that because i feel

，你说这很有趣 因为我的感觉

exactly the same way i think i started

和我想的完全一样，我想我

cooking maybe when i was like 13 or 14

可能是在 13 或 14 岁的时候

and like i just went in the kitchen and

开始做饭的，就像我刚走进厨房，

made a huge mess and was like cooking

弄得一团糟，就像煮

chicken and soybean oil and stuff like

鸡肉和大豆油之类的东西

that but but that was something i just

，但是那

kept doing as i was younger and then now

作为我年轻时一直在做的事情，然后

it's like i don't even think about it

现在我什至不去想它，

but i know that a lot of people depend

但我知道很多人依赖

on

于

ordering out or whatever for their food

订购或其他任何食物

and i'm just like it like hits me in the

，我就像打我一样 面对

face with how

like how not again i'm not i'm not those

如何不再如此我不是我不是那些

people everything has to be optimal or

人一切都必须是最佳的或

whatever but like that is just it's not

其他什么但就像那样只是这不是

a good situation to be and i think a

一个好的情况我认为一个

person has to figure out how to cook for

人必须弄清楚如何做饭 对

themselves yeah you so you mentioned

他们自己是的，所以你提到

soybean oil let's talk a little bit

豆油让我们

about the uh the dreaded pufa

谈谈可怕的pufa

polyunsaturated fatty acids um obviously

多不饱和脂肪酸嗯显然

you know ray was i don't know if he was

你知道雷我不知道他

the first but he was he's a huge

是不是第一个但他是他的一个巨大的

proponent of like just getting all the

支持者就像刚刚得到 所有的

seed oils all the vegetable oils out of

种子油 所有的植物油都从

your life uh sticking with you know

你的生活中消失 呃坚持你知道

coconut oil butter um

椰子油黄油嗯

olive oil that one's not bad either but

橄榄油也不错

has your view of polyunsaturated fat has

但是你对多不饱和脂肪的

it changed at all over the years as

看法随着你做了更多的研究这些年来它是否发生了变化

you've

done more research

not

不是

really uh the so i was always kind of

真的呃所以我总是很友善

hair focused you know that was like my

你知道那是我

big interest and even led me to rae you

最大的兴趣，甚至让我对 rae 感兴趣，你

know i kind of skipped over that in the

知道我在开始时有点跳过了那个

beginning

um

and so i think in like 2012

，所以我想在 2012 年

there's a paper by a guy named garza and

有一篇论文，由一个名叫 garza 的人和

his team

他的团队撰写

and they did biopsies of men's scalps

，他们做到了 男性

where it was balding

秃头

and the areas that were balding had

部位的活组织检查，秃头部位

accumulated a prostaglandin and so

积聚了前列腺素，因此

prostaglandins are produced from

前列腺素是由

so-called essential fatty acids like

所谓的必需脂肪酸产生的，例如

linoleic acid which is can be converted

亚油酸，它可以

into arachidonic acid in the liver and

在肝脏中转化为花生四烯酸，

then you can eat arachidonic acid as

然后你可以吃花生四烯酸 酸

well

也是

and so that to me i was like oh my god

如此，所以对我来说，我的天哪，我的天哪

like what

what are the pufa not involved in like

，pufa 不涉及

what problem are they not involved in

什么问题，他们不涉及什么问题，

you know

你知道

and though i guess

，虽然

the way i think about them is just like

我想我对它们的看法

so so just like remove them out of the

就像这样 将它们

food supply completely and obviously you

完全从食物供应中移除，显然你

and i will still experience stress in

和我仍然会在

our lives and it seems like the pufa is

我们的生活中感受到压力，而且似乎 pufa

just like an amplifier of stress and so

就像压力放大器一样

and it's just kind of making the problem

，这只是让问题变得

worse over time

更糟 随着时间的推移

and so i the thing i just

，

i think about is just limiting them over

我想到的只是在

a long period of time and i think in

很长一段时间内限制它们，我认为

practicality that means eating foods

实际上这意味着吃

that you like that just don't contain a

你喜欢的食物，但不含有

significant amount of polyunsaturated

大量的多不饱和

fat and so

脂肪，所以

it's not i like again i don't spend a

它是 我又不喜欢了 我不会花

significant amount of time

大量时间

worrying about the number i just focus

担心数量 我只关注

on foods that i like that just kind of

我喜欢的食物

naturally don't contain

自然而然 不

a lot of proof and not to say anybody

包含很多证据 也不是说任何人

should do what i do or whatever but um

都应该做我所做的或 不管怎样，

i'm kind of convinced that there's

我有点相信有

something to avoid for the long term

一些东西可以在长期内避免，

within reason you know yeah what about

你知道是的，

fish are you still pretty because i know

鱼呢，你仍然很漂亮，因为我知道

ray was pretty anti fish and fish oil um

ray 是非常反鱼和鱼油的，嗯

have you changed your mind on that at

，你改变主意了吗？

all or is it still pretty much the same

全部还是它仍然几乎相同

well fish oil i think would

的鱼油我认为

i mean there's benefits to the vitamins

我的意思是维生素

a and d and cod liver oil and stuff but

a和d以及鱼肝油和其他东西有好处

that dha there's a paper that says like

但是dha有一篇论文

in proportion to how much dha is or the

说就像dha的含量或

d cosa hexanoic acid is uh produces

d的比例 cosa 己酸是 uh 产生

acrolein like in in proportion to that

丙烯醛

and like nobody thinks acrolein is good

，就像没有人认为丙烯醛是好的

it's like a mitochondrial inhibitor like

一样，就像线粒体抑制剂一样

promotes nitric oxide and things and so

促进一氧化氮之类的东西，所以

there are uh i think that's like um oh

有呃，我认为这就像嗯，哦，

[ __ ] i don't want to talk out of turn

该死，我不想在

here but the the epa and dha invariably

这里乱说，但是 epa 和 dha

invariably lead to these toxic end

总是会导致这些有毒的终

products that interfere with

产物，这些终产物会干扰

mitochondrial respiration and things and

线粒体呼吸和其他东西，

i think i think fish oil is fairly

我认为我认为鱼油是

it's fairly safe to say that that stuff

相当安全的，尽管我认为生态 um 认为这些

is probably not helpful to most people

东西可能对大多数人没有帮助

although i think the ecos um ecos

ecos

yeah pentanoic acid

是的，戊酸

that stuff can interfere with um i think

这种东西会干扰嗯我认为

cyclooxygenase ii which makes

环加氧酶 ii 会产生

prostaglandins and so i think it does

前列腺素，所以我认为它

actually have an anti-inflammatory

确实具有抗炎

effect but it also promotes lipid

作用，但它也会促进

peroxidation things like that and so

脂质过氧化，所以

i'm not i'm not saying it's

我不是我不是说

uh

呃，

it could have kind of like an undercover

它可能对某人有一种卧底

anti-inflammatory effect for somebody

抗炎作用，

but like at a great expense you know

但就像你知道的代价很大

uh and then fish i'm in like central

，然后钓鱼，我在

mexico and in the desert and so i

墨西哥中部和 沙漠，所以我

wouldn't really trust any of the fish

不会真正信任

here

这里

and even in thailand or

甚至泰国的任何鱼，或者

i don't know that it's like seafood or

我不知道它像海鲜或

whatever like i i guess it's not a food

其他类似的东西我想这不是一种

that really appeals to me that much and

真正吸引我的食物，

so i just kind of naturally avoid it but

所以我只是善良 自然地避免它，但

i'm not like intentionally avoiding it

我不像故意避免它，

because i hate like i don't want the

因为我讨厌我不想要

pufa or whatever but um i eat oysters i

pufa或其他什么但嗯我的

mean almost every week you know yeah did

意思是几乎每周都吃牡蛎你知道是的

you uh did you ever do a fish oil

你有没有做过鱼油

experiment did you ever have have that

实验 你有没有

in your life for a while oh yeah i think

在你的生活中拥有过一段时间哦，是的，我想

uh

kind of circa maybe um when was this

呃大概是

maybe 2009 2010 that was when the rob

2009 年 2010 年，那时 rob

wolf fish oil calculator

wolf 鱼油计算器

existed

存在

and you'd put like the problem you had

，你会像你遇到的问题

and it would calculate some like insane

一样 会计算一些像

amount of epa and dhh

epa 和 dhh 的疯狂数量，

and i

i'm trying to remember correctly but i

我试图正确记住，但我

think you know that um

想你知道那个

blue ice fermented cod liver oil that

like west indie price foundation sold

像西方独立价格基金会

like i remember spending a small fortune

一样的蓝冰发酵鳕鱼肝油卖得就像我记得在这些东西上花了一笔不小的钱一样

on that stuff and consuming way more

消耗的方式

than they were recommending to use like

比他们重新 推荐使用

maybe like a fourth a cup which was like

可能像第四个杯子，就像

half the bottle or something uh but no i

半瓶或其他东西，呃，但不，

i like everybody i mega dose that stuff

我喜欢每个人，我大量服用这些东西，

because i thought it would be useful and

因为我认为它会很有用，

all it ever did was like give me

而且它所做的只是给我

gallbladder inflammation and kind of

胆囊发炎之类的东西

like weird diarrhea and stuff and so

像奇怪的腹泻之类的东西，所以

it never paid off and it i mean it

它从来没有得到回报，我的意思是它

yeah never resulted in anything good it

从来没有产生任何好处

is surprising how many people i've seen

令人惊讶的是我见过多少人

and this is just anecdotal obviously but

，这显然只是轶事，但有

how many people said that they got some

多少人说他们得了某种

type of cancer and you look back in

类型的癌症 你回顾

their past and

他们的过去，

maybe within a couple years before they

也许在几年之内，

were like doing mega doses of that that

他们就像做大剂量的那种，

you know fermented fish oil well who was

你很了解发酵鱼油，谁

the main person that said that dr ron or

是主要的人，他说 ron 博士或

whatever

其他什么

there was some big person in the west

在西膝盖上有一些大人物

knee price foundation that

价格基础，

i think he had cancer and he attributed

我认为他得了癌症，他把这

it to his intake of color of oil yeah

归因于他

it's insane

yeah

well that that idea is less shocking

these days you know because paul

saladino's kind of um popularity and

摄入了有色油 等等

stuff and that's his message as well

，这也是他要传达的信息，

that the poly unsaturated fats are

即多不饱和脂肪

probably the worst

可能是最糟糕的，

uh there's that quote from

呃，

paper from 1909 to 1999 soybean oil has

从 1909 年到 1999 年的论文引用的大豆油

increased a thousand percent uh and and

增加了 1000% 呃，

then that guy chris knob he gives

然后那个家伙克里斯旋钮他做了

presentations on the toxicity of

关于毒性的演讲

polyunsaturated fat so that that idea is

多不饱和脂肪，所以这个想法现在

not a

solely a racing these days you know and

不仅仅是一场比赛，你知道，

i think i think a lot more people have

我想我认为更多的人已经

come around to that idea yeah i mean i

接受了这个想法是的，我的意思是我

thank god that ray turned me on to that

感谢上帝，雷让我接受了那个

and he had that whole fish oil article

，他有整条鱼 油文章

that was just so

，所以

it was so hard hitting and i remember at

它是如此难以打击，我记得

the time like i never got super into

当时我好像从来没有超级喜欢

fish oil but i did a few experiments

鱼油，但我做了一些实验

where i took like mega doses of dha and

，我服用了大剂量的 dha，

i remember my blood sugars were

我记得我的血糖

fantastic like they were just so good

非常好，就像它们一样 太好了，

i'm a type 1 diabetic and so they were

我是 1 型糖尿病患者，所以他们

just like super flat super good and my

就像超级平坦超级好，我的

eyesight got super sharp but i just i

视力变得超级敏锐，但我

just felt bad like i felt it's hard to

只是感觉很糟糕，因为我觉得很难

explain but it was like my brain got

解释，但就像我的大脑变

smaller i feel like i literally was like

小了我觉得 喜欢 真的

like the thoughts that you have in your

就像你脑子里的想法

head stopped and i at the time i was

停止了，当时我沉迷

into spiritual stuff so i'm like wow

于精神的东西，所以我喜欢哇，

maybe all this meditation is really

也许所有的冥想都得到

paying off like my my mind is

了回报，就像我的思想

is growing quiet i'm getting the

正在变得安静，我得到了

benefits i'm becoming a yogi but no it

好处我正在成为一名瑜伽士，但不，

was it was just fish oil

那只是鱼油，

yeah i mean i don't that at that time i

是的，我的意思是，当时我

was making dosing that stuff i don't

正在服用那些东西，我

think i

想我

knew who i was or what i was feeling and

不知道我是谁或我的感受，

so it'd be impossible to comment on it

所以 不可能对此发表评论，

but

但是

yeah that's uh

是的，就是

so those benefic beneficial things you

这样，所以你提到的那些有益的事情

mentioned maybe it was because it

可能是因为它

inhibited the prostaglandins or

抑制了前列腺素或

something like that like that is a

类似的东西是一种

possibility and i think that's why

可能性，我认为这就是

people stick with fish oil because it

人们坚持使用鱼油的原因，因为它

sometimes can reduce pain or make some

有时 可以减轻疼痛或使某些

problem less bad and so i i think there

问题不那么严重，所以我认为它

is merit to it but

是有好处的，但

like we talked about like at a great

就像我们谈论的那样，付出了巨大的

expense it's not yeah like taking

代价，这不是对的，就像服用

aspirin would be less risky than taking

阿司匹林比服用鱼油风险小，

the fish oil so there's actually a group

所以实际上

on facebook of type 1 diabetics who have

在 facebook 上有一个小组 1型糖尿病 那些有

kids who then they test for the type 1

孩子的人，然后他们测试 1 型

diabetic

糖尿病

immune system markers and they've gotten

免疫系统标志物，他们

really good at it so that they can test

非常擅长，所以他们可以测试

your kid and they can be like all right

你的孩子，他们可以像他一样，

he's got these antibodies for pancreatic

他有

islet cells and so he or she has a x

胰岛细胞的这些抗体，所以他 或者她

percent chance of getting type 1

diabetes at some point in their future

在他们未来的某个时候患 1 型糖尿病的几率很高

and and they've gotten really good to

，而且他们已经

where they can be like yeah your kid's

非常好，就像是的你的孩子

going to get type 1 diabetes like like

会患上 1 型糖尿病，就像

it's going to happen and it does happen

它会发生一样，它确实发生了

and one of their protocols is like mega

他们的一项协议就像大

doses of fish oil and it actually people

剂量的鱼油，实际上那些

who stay on this megadose of fish oil

坚持使用大剂量鱼油的人会

they

prolong i mean it doesn't last forever

延长我的意思是它不会永远持续下去，

but you know some people who are going

但你知道有些人

to get type 1 diabetes within you know

会患上 1 型糖尿病，你知道

when they were a teenager and their

当他们十几岁的时候，他们的

blood sugars were starting to look a

血糖开始看起来

little bit worse and you know their a1c

有点糟糕，你知道他们

was starting to creep up um they've been

的 a1c 开始上升，嗯，他们已经

able to stave off type 1 diabetes and

能够避免 1 型糖尿病，

they're some of them are in their 30s

他们中的一些人已经 30 多岁了

now and so it's it's kind of interesting

现在就这样 这有点有趣，

like there's something there that it

就像那里有一些东西，它

does that is like okay maybe there's

确实很好，也许那里有

some use there but like you said there

一些用处，但就像你说的那样，

are really steep costs

成本真的很高，

yeah that's a i never heard that before

是的，我以前从未听说过，

but again the the prostaglandins are so

但前列腺素再次

problematic that anything that

成问题，任何

interferes with them might improve the

干扰它们的东西 可能会改善这种

situation

情况

but i i

can't recall correctly but i'm almost

，但我记不清了，但我几乎

positive that ray recommends large doses

肯定 ray 推荐大剂量

aspirin for type 1 diabetes and so

阿司匹林治疗 1 型糖尿病，

and i think that again you would know

所以我认为你会

more about this than i would but i think

比我更了解这一点，但我认为

the

chronic release of free fatty acids and

慢性释放 游离脂肪酸，

then their breakdown into prostaglandins

然后它们分解成前列腺

is like the thing that's

素就像是

not letting the um

不让

the beta cells regenerate like

嗯 β 细胞再生一样的东西

and so again i think that's the etiology

，所以我再次认为那

of that disease is um ray talks about it

是这种疾病的病因是 嗯 ray

much more eloquently yeah so let's let's

更雄辩地谈论它是的，所以让我们

talk a little bit about the uh because

谈一谈 有点呃，因为

you live at a higher elevation in mexico

你住在墨西哥海拔较高的地方，

right

yeah yeah yeah i think six thousand feet

是的，是的，是的，我想六千英尺

or so how high up are you

左右，你有多高

2 000 meters or i think that's 6 000

2000 米 或者我认为那是 6 000

feet okay so let's talk a little bit

英尺，所以让我们

about the potential benefits there

谈谈那里的潜在好处，

because i know that's one that probably

因为我知道可能

many people haven't heard about of of

很多人都没有听说过

the health benefits of living at a

生活在更高海拔的健康益处

higher elevation

yeah so that i think that ties back to

是的，所以我认为 与

thyroid hormone like thyroid is the

甲状腺激素有关的呼吸激素如甲状腺

hormone of respiration that's

是呼吸激素，它

stimulating the the consumption of

刺激

oxygen and glucose to make carbon

氧气和葡萄糖的消耗以制造

dioxide water and atp

二氧化碳水和 atp

and then the carbon dioxide is often

，然后二氧化碳通常被

thought of as like a waste product but i

认为是废物，但我

think in rey's whole point of view and

认为在 rey 的整个观点中 的观点，

then also like what christian bohr

然后也像克里斯蒂安·波尔

pointed out

指出的，

uh the via the bore effect that the

呃通过孔效应，

carbon dioxide uh dissociates oxygen

二氧化碳

from hemoglobin better allowing

可以更好地将氧气从血红蛋白中分离出来，让

cells tissues and organs to absorb it

细胞组织和器官吸收它

and i think that's happening after

，我认为当你到达高海拔时，这是在适应之后发生的，

adaptation

when you get to high altitude so your

所以你的

body can

身体可以

is

has more carbon dioxide and

有更多的二氧化碳，

it stimulates cellular respiration and

它刺激细胞呼吸和

the consumption of oxygen and it just

氧气的消耗，它只

makes the system run a lot smoother and

会使系统运行更顺畅

i think that whole process dampens the

我认为整个过程抑制

need for the activation of the stress

了激活压力系统的需要

systems

and it gets to uh it gets to like have

，它变得像

you ever heard ray talk about carb amino

你有没有听过射线谈论

groups on proteins and stuff it gets

蛋白质上的碳水化合物氨基和东西它

like really granular uh

变得非常

an area i think only maybe ray or

颗粒状，我认为只有可能 ray 或

georgie could get into

georgie 可以

talking about how like

谈论

it reinforces the proteins and the um

它如何增强蛋白质和 um

absorb water on cells and things like

在细胞上吸收水分

that it's like it's like a basic

之类的东西就像它就像黄体酮或甲状腺这样的基本

stabilizing factor like progesterone or

稳定因子

thyroid and i guess the more of it

，我猜

you're exposed to during your lifetime

你在此期间接触的越多 你的一生

the healthier you'll be or the more

越健康，你就越

resistant to stress you'll be or

能抵抗压力

and to be honest with you living here

for a few years like i couldn't tell you

oh it does x y and z to me but i i think

there i do have a lot of good days in

我确实在墨西哥有很多美好的日子，

mexico whereas when i would travel to

而当我去日本旅行

japan

or go to thailand or go to malaysia or

或去泰国或去马来西亚或

go wherever i think there were some like

去任何我认为有

kind of like down days and i just like

一些像低谷的日子时，

barely ever feel like that here

我就像在这里

and so maybe the carbon dioxide is just

和 所以也许 c 二氧化碳只是

um i don't know making me slightly more

嗯，我不知道让我更能

resistant to

抵抗

stress or depression or whatever yeah i

压力或抑郁或其他什么是的，我

i sometimes go camping um one of the

有时会去露营 嗯，

cool things about arizona is it does

亚利桑那州最酷的事情之一是它确实

have a lot of different environments and

有很多不同的环境，

so i'll go camping up at 8 000 feet i

所以我会去露营 在 8 000 英尺高的地方，我

always feel so much different up there

总是感觉凤凰城的上下有很大的不同，大约

versus down here in phoenix which is

like 15 1500 or so

15 1500 英尺左右

yeah i think i i don't know if six

是的，我想我不知道

thousand feet is enough to really notice

6000 英尺是否足以真正

a huge difference but i think rylan was

注意到巨大的差异，但我认为 rylan 是

talking about 8 000 or 10 000 or 12 000

谈论 8 000 或 10 000 或 12 000

being a huge difference and so

是一个巨大的差异，所以

i still need to

我仍然需要

go to what is like la paz or something i

去拉巴斯之类的

need to go to somewhere that has really

地方，或者我需要去

high elevation to see if it makes any

海拔非常高的地方，看看它是否有

difference do you uh do you like any of

什么不同，嗯 你喜欢

those

这些

contraptions or whatnot to try and

装置中的任何一个或诸如此类的东西来尝试

increase your carbon dioxide intake

增加二氧化碳的摄入量，

whether that's like the baths or uh the

无论是洗澡还是

tents you sleep in i mean have you tried

睡觉的帐篷，我的意思是你是否尝试

any of those out

过其中的任何一种，

no i i

不，

my friends here were gonna go buy a

我的朋友们要去买一个

tank like a carbogen or carbon dioxide

像这样的罐子 碳水化合物或碳水化合物 二氧化碳，

but i don't think they ever

但我不认为他们曾经

did i would have like inhaled some or

put it on my arm or something to see

what it did but i've

it's

it's embarrassing i've been into ray's

work for 10 years but i've never had any

做过 我从来没有

direct experience with carbon dioxide

直接接触过二氧化碳

wow that's uh that is actually really

哇，这真的很

surprising

令人惊讶，

because that's definitely something i

因为这绝对是

tried out i went and got some tanks

我尝试过的

filled with co2 and and breathed it in

and i don't know i can't say i i noticed

东西 最后注意到了

much

in my end my defense i think i was

很多我的辩护我想我

thinking about it in san francisco but i

在旧金山考虑过但我

walked everywhere like i refused to take

到处走就像我拒绝乘坐

taxis and

出租车

the store that i could fill this thing

而且我可以填满这东西的商店

up at was like across san francisco and

就像在旧金山对面

i think i i was like there's no way

我想我就像那里

you're gonna be walking back and forth

你不可能

with this heavy tank um but yeah i mean

带着这个沉重的坦克来回走，嗯，但我的意思是

i want to try it because i i get the

我想尝试一下，因为我

impression that ray uses it frequently

觉得雷经常使用

like he sits in bags of it and things

它，就像他坐在袋子里

like that but

一样，但

hey i need to try that dude's going to

嘿，我需要 试试那个家伙能

live to like 120.

活到 120 岁 .

absolutely

绝对

yeah so speaking of ray you you recently

是的，所以说到 ray，你最近

did a show and somebody asked you you

做了一个节目，有人问你，

know what do you think ray is wrong

你认为 ray 有什么问题

about

and uh i think you mentioned bitcoin

，呃，我想你提到了比特币，

but you didn't really have any health

但你并没有真正提到任何健康

topics that you mentioned so i mean

话题，所以我的意思是

you've had tons of interactions with ray

你和雷进行了大量的互动，

do you i mean are there any health

我的意思是有没有任何健康

topics do you that you think that he's

话题你认为他

maybe i don't know maybe not wrong but

可能我不知道可能没有错但被

misguided or maybe he's not focusing on

误导了或者他没有专注于

something relevant

it's like such a trick question i'm not

相关的事情就像这样一个棘手的问题 我不是

saying you're because if i say i i

说你是因为如果我说

know it just makes me sound like a

我知道这只会让我听起来像一个

dogmatic loser you know but

教条式的失败者，你知道但

i just think his whole view

我只是认为他的整个观点

uh is so coherent and fits together so

呃是如此连贯并且融合得如此

well like for example there's like a

好，例如，就像一场

raging debate about uh vitamin d right

激烈的辩论一样 呃维生素 d

now and i think the the debate is like

现在我认为这场辩论很

laughable because vitamin d fits in

可笑，因为维生素 d

with the anti-stress substances like

适合抗压力物质，如

progesterone and thyroid and things like

黄体酮和甲状腺之类的东西

that but they're not viewing things like

，但

the anti-vitamin d are not viewing

他们没有看到像抗维生素 d 这样的

things through this energetic context so

东西 ngs 通过这种充满活力的背景，所以

their view fits in with whatever model

他们的观点适合

they're viewing health from but it

他们看待健康的任何模型，但这

doesn't make any sense to me because

对我来说没有任何意义，因为

vitamin d has so many like pro-energetic

维生素 d 有很多类似的促能量

or anti-stress effects yeah and so

或抗压力作用是的，

so

the other thing about this is i don't

所以其他 关于这个问题是我并不

totally understand a lot of what rey is

完全理解 rey 在

talking about and so

说什么，所以

it's like

like so if rey is

就像这样，如果 rey

saying like something about like carbon

说的是像

monoxide or something and i don't fully

一氧化碳之类的东西，而我不完全

grasp where carbon monoxide like fits

理解一氧化碳

into cellular respiration and stress and

适合细胞的位置 呼吸和压力之类的

stuff like i'd have to be some an idiot

东西，我得像个白痴

to say like oh yeah i don't agree with

一样说，哦，是的，我不同意

him about that or something it's like i

他的观点或类似的东西，

don't i mean just his stupid apprentice

我不是说我只是他的愚蠢学徒

that he never wanted you know like

，他从来不想让你知道

trying to figure out what he's talking

试图弄清楚他在说

about

什么

and

，

um but yeah to be honest no i've

嗯，但说实话，不，我

nothing he said ever

什么都没说，

like i'd be honest with you i tell you

就像我对你说实话一样，我告诉你，

if something yeah he said me the wrong

如果有的话，他对我说的不对，

way or something

to be honest bitcoin was like the only

或者说实话比特币是 就像

thing that i was like i think he could

我唯一喜欢的一样 认为他

possibly be wrong about that because he

可能是错的，因为他

has a real negative view of like digital

对数字文化有真正的负面看法，

culture but

但

not to change the subject here but i'm

不会改变这里的主题，但我

almost convinced that it's um

几乎确信这是嗯，

i think he thinks it's like a cia nsa

我认为他认为这就像 cia nsa 的

thing but i'm not really convinced that

事情，但我不是 真的相信

it is but but anyways that's awesome i

它是，但无论如何这太棒了我

think we got a good title for the show

认为我们为节目获得了一个很好的标题

danny roddy ray's a stupid apprentice he

丹尼罗迪雷是一个愚蠢的学徒他

never wanted

从不想要

that would be the optimal title i think

这将是最佳标题我认为

okay well i i haven't heard of this

好吧我还没有听说过这种

vitamin d debate what is the debate over

维生素 D 辩论什么 是关于

i don't get it oh

我不

yeah it's uh difficult to say so

明白的争论 哦，是的，很难说，所以

you take cholecalciferol or vitamin d3

你服用胆钙化醇或维生素 d3

it's hydroxylized in the liver to um oh

它在肝脏中被羟基化，哦

shoot what's the

拍摄

calcium of fetal uh the activated form

胎儿的钙是多少 呃激活形式

or whatever yeah yeah and then it

或其他任何东西是的，然后它

activates again going to the kidneys and

激活 再次去肾脏和

calcitriol or calcitriol or something uh

骨化三醇或骨化三醇或其他东西，

so that's like the the 25d is the one

嗯，就像 25d 是

made in the liver and then the 125 is

肝脏制造的，然后 125

the one made in the kidneys

是肾脏制造的

and i won't really talk about it too

，我真的不会谈论

much more because i just i just wrote a

太多，因为我 只是我 刚刚写了

huge article on it and i i

一篇关于它的大文章，我

turned people to that article to see if

把人们转向那篇文章，看看

they were interested in this debate or

他们是否对这场辩论或其他什么感兴趣，

whatever

but it it's kind of silly in my point of

但在我看来这有点愚蠢

view and i only wrote the article it's

，我只写了这篇文章，它

on uh

在 uh

dannyroddy.substack.com or

dannyroddy.substack.com 或

subset.dannywriting.subtech.com

subset.dannywriting.subtech.com

and the only reason i wrote that is the

和我写的唯一原因是

people promoting the idea that it's bad

人们宣传它是坏的想法

have large audiences and so you know

有大量观众，所以你知道

that quote like the uh

像呃谎言这样的引语

a lie can circle the world well true the

可以很好地环绕世界真实

truth is still putting on our boots like

真相仍在继续 我们的靴子就是

that's kind of what's happened it's

这样发生的事情

it's gone rampant and

它已经变得猖獗了，

uh like there are

就像

very few people to defend vitamin d and

很少有人捍卫维生素d一样

to be honest with you i think it's like

，老实说，我认为这

a life-changing thing like

就像改变生活的东西，比如

thyroid vitamin d antibiotics those are

甲状腺维生素d抗生素这些是

some things that um

一些东西

i don't think of myself as some amazing

我不认为自己是什么了不起的

specimen or ever but like those had a

标本，但就像那些

powerful impact on

different aspects of my health you know

对我健康的不同方面产生强大影响的人一样，

especially vitamin d and so i

尤其是维生素 d，所以

i i want to stick up for it because i

我想坚持下去，因为我

think it's a useful therapy and i'm kind

认为这是一种有用的治疗方法 你和我

of like i kind of think taking it off

有点像我有点想把它从桌子上拿下

the table and saying that it's toxic is

来说它有毒

like a tragic thing and i would act the

就像是一件悲惨的事情，

same way if somebody said thyroid was

如果有人说甲状腺

toxic or progesterone was toxic i would

有毒或黄体酮有毒，我会以同样的方式行事，我会

just laugh and think that it was a

笑着想 这是一个

laughable argument yeah that is

可笑的论点，是的，这很

interesting i i wonder why they think

有趣，我想知道为什么他们认为

it's so toxic because i've heard

它如此有毒，因为我听说过

specific arguments about vitamin d like

关于维生素 d

there's a specific argument about people

的具体论点，就像有关于患有结节病的人的具体论点一样，

who have sarcoidosis and it being this

而且正是这种

infection and vitamin d suppresses part

感染和维生素 D 抑制了

of the immune system that kills that

部分 免疫系统可以杀死这种

infection and so it's like this very

感染，所以

narrow like yes for these people vitamin

对于这些人来说，维生素

d is bad but i've never heard like oh

d 是非常有限的，但我从来没有听说过，哦，

it's just toxic that just doesn't make

它只是有毒，没有

any sense

任何意义，

uh

呃，

i'm hesitant to say any of their names

我不愿说任何一个 他们的名字

on here i can send you material on it i

在这里我可以给你发送材料我

don't know if you want to go down the

不知道你是否想进入

rabbit hole it's just kind of silly it's

兔子洞这只是

kind of silly to me but um

有点傻对我来说有点傻但是

i'm not saying i'm above it or whatever

我不是说我在上面或其他什么

but but again it's like trying to like

但是，这就像试图 就像

you know better than anybody there are

你比任何人都清楚 有

different

不同的

like uh

就像呃，

if i take um

如果我认为 嗯

i don't know like different like a

我不知道像

low-carb point of view of health and i

低碳水化合物的健康观点

try to like merge it with the

一样不同 我试着把它与

bioenergetic stuff or the thyroid or

生物能量的东西或甲状腺或

stress model it's going to be completely

压力模型结合起来 这将是完全

incompatible and that that's kind of how

不相容的，这就是

i view this anti-vitamin d argument like

我如何看待这种抗维生素 d 的论点，就像

it doesn't make any sense when you're

当你

connecting it with the thyroid stuff

将它与甲状腺的东西联系起来时它没有任何意义

and so i don't it's just like an

，所以我不认为它就像一个

incoherent mess that people like

不连贯的混乱 像

these uh influencers on instagram are

instagram 上的这些 uh 影响者

it's like it's like instagram health

这样的人就像 instagram 健康

people that don't don't read anything

人一样，他们什么都不读

and just post on instagram to like

，只是在 instagram 上发帖以

get large followings yeah you mentioned

获得大量关注 是的，你也提到

uh antibiotics too um i know those have

了 uh 抗生素，我知道这些

made a big difference for you i think

对 你我想

i've read something about you taking

我已经读过一些关于你服用

them and them helping you with milk can

它们并且他们帮助你喝牛奶的内容

you talk about that a little bit yeah so

你能谈谈吗，是的，所以

uh one of the huge problems i had when

呃，我在

getting into ray's stuff was my

进入雷的东西时遇到的一个巨大问题是我的

digestion was just a mess and it was

消化只是一团糟，它 曾是

even worse with milk and so

牛奶更糟，所以

when i was trying to consume milk i was

当我试图喝牛奶时，我

just the diarrhea was even worse and so

只是腹泻更严重，所以

i was like what am i going to do here

我想在这里做什么，

like i want to get into raised stuff but

就像我想进入饲养的东西，但

i can't drink milk

我不能喝牛奶

and one of the things that i thought

和一个 我想到的事情之一

about was i could drink milk perfectly

是我小时候可以完美地喝牛奶

as a kid like i had no issues

，就像我没有问题一样

and so i was like what the what the hell

，所以我想我到底

happened to me like what what is going

发生了什么事，就像正在发生的事情一样

on and i think ray in an interview

，我认为雷在接受采访时

said that he thought the loss of the

说他 认为乳糖酶的损失

lactase enzyme could occur from like uh

可能来自

endotoxin like chronic endotoxin and

像慢性内毒素这样的内毒素，

that he had said

并且他在

multiple places that if a bacterial

多个地方说过，如果细菌

overgrowth was

过度生长

really bad that a person might want to

真的很糟糕，一个人可能想要

use penicillin vk or erythromycin or

使用青霉素 vk 或红霉素或

tetracycline or minocycline or

四环素或米诺环素或

doxycycline

强力霉素

and i was at the end of my rope you know

，我 在我的绳索尽头你知道

i was like living with people like

我喜欢和人一起生活就像

running the bathroom is like horribly

跑厕所就像可怕的

embarrassing and things

尴尬和

and i was like i gotta do something and

事情我就像我必须做点什么

and i had heard up until then that

而且在那之前我听说

taking antibiotics were the worst things

服用抗生素是最糟糕的

you could possibly do

你可以做的第一件事

and i just kind of had to set all that

，我只是不得不把所有这些

aside and i i think one of my first

放在一边，我想我

emails to ray was like where do you get

给雷的第一封电子邮件就像你从哪里得到

penicillin and he sent me a link to a

青霉素一样，他给我发了一个墨西哥药店的链接，

mexican drugstore i got some and i'd say

我买了一些，然后我” d 说

within about two weeks of taking it i

在服用后大约两周内我

could comfortably drink goat milk and to

可以舒适地喝羊奶，对

me that was just like absolutely

我来说这简直

incredible because it

不可思议，因为它

bugged my stomach so much and i was just

让我的胃非常烦躁，而且我

so intolerant to milk it was not funny

对牛奶非常不耐受，这并不好笑

and so that was a

，所以这是

aside from the eggshell calcium and then

除此之外的 蛋壳钙，然后

the antibiotics these were just huge

是抗生素，这些都是

problems that i was having that were

我遇到的大问题，这些问题

rectified

like very quickly

很快就

by these unorthodox things that ray was

被雷正在谈论的这些非正统的东西纠正

talking about

了

and so like a hundred a hundred of those

，所以像一百一百

fell into place and i was like oh man

一样就位了，我就像哦，伙计，

maybe this guy's on to something yeah

也许 这个人正在做一些

that's really interesting i mean i have

非常有趣的事情，我的意思是我有

a similar story of i took i think three

一个类似的故事，我认为

different rounds of antibiotics

三轮不同的抗生素

minicycling azithromycin and

小循环阿奇霉素和

erythromycin and it really did change

红霉素它确实发生了变化

like like there's a period before those

，就像有一个 在那些

antibiotics and there's a period after

抗生素之前的时期和那些抗生素之后的时期

those antibiotics

yeah it's pretty amazing

是的，这是非常惊人的

so one thing i am really interested in

所以有一件事我真的很想

hearing from people like yourself

听听像你这样的

who have you know this a lot of

人的意见，他们知道你

experience you have years years and

years in this health world is what

在这个健康世界中多年多年的丰富经验是什么

wisdom you have learned after all these

智慧 这些年来你已经学会了

years

oh man that's kind of broad but

哦，伙计，这有点宽泛，但

i hate i take well i i in terms of like

我讨厌我喜欢与像这样的

talking to people like i i try to take

人交谈 ii 尽量

the best i can like a very carl rogerian

做到最好 我喜欢一个非常卡尔·罗杰里安·

rogers rogerian approach

罗杰斯·罗杰斯的方法

um

嗯

like trying to meet everybody where they

喜欢尝试与每个人见面

where they are you know not

他们在哪里，你知道他们在哪里你不会把

complexifying things too much

事情复杂化太多，也不会

and validating ideas and thoughts just

验证想法和想法

how ray does it you know

你知道雷是如何做到的

and

，

yeah like uh

是的，就像呃，

because as you know like ever things i

因为正如你所知道的，我

did in 2011 or 12 are way different from

在 2011 年或 12 年所做的事情与我现在所做的有很大不同，

what i do now

but it was just a big developmental

但是 这只是一个

process of learning trial and error and

学习反复试验和

things and well i guess what i'm trying

事情的大发展过程，我想我

to say is respecting other people's

想说的是尊重

journeys you know and not trying to say

你知道的其他人的旅程，而不是试图sa

oh you've got to do this or you've got

哦，你必须这样

to do that or you got to take this or

做，或者你必须这样做，或者你必须接受这个，或者

you got to take that it's like

你必须接受这样的

things if ray has another quotes like

事情，如果雷有其他引述，就像

things make no sense until they make the

事情没有意义，直到他们有

right sense and you just have to respect

正确的意义，而你 只需要尊重

that and

这一点

and i and i again not to keep gushing

，我和我再次不要继续滔滔不绝地

about ray but that i think he does that

谈论雷，但我认为他做得

very well and he validates people's

很好，他验证了人们的

ideas and thoughts and i've even asked

想法和想法，我什至问

ray about crazy things and he

雷关于疯狂的事情，他

never said no don't do that he just kind

从来没有说不 不要那样做，他只是有点

of um

like

像

promoted my interest in the subject so i

提升了我对这个主题的兴趣，所以我

could figure it out myself and so i

可以自己弄清楚，所以我

guess i try to pass that down to like

想我试着把它传递下去

or embody that when i'm talking to

，在我与人交谈时喜欢或体现这一点，

people because again i don't i don't

因为我再次不 我不

think the approach of like oh you talk

认为像哦，你

to me and then i fix you is is real but

和我说话然后我修复你的方法是真实的，但

i know that's a big thing in the health

我知道这在健康世界中是一件大事

world and i don't i don't like it i

，我不，我不喜欢它，我

don't i don't want to act that way and i

不，我不 “不想那样做，我

and i don't think that's really a way

和我不认为这真的是

anybody gets better because i'm so far

任何人变得更好的方式，因为

removed from the person i'm talking to

我与正在与之交谈的人相距甚远

that

那样，

and in a no rogerian approach like i

并且以一种不偏不倚的方式，就像我

think a person has the tools inside

认为一个人内心深处

themselves to fix their problem and

有解决问题的工具，

sometimes just talking to somebody can

有时只是与某人交谈就

like invigorate the senses to to do this

可以激发感官来做这个

or to do that or to try this or try that

或做那个，或者尝试这个或尝试那个

and and hopefully move a person in a

，并且希望 让一个人

better direction are there any big

朝着更好的方向发展 有没有什么

things that you used to believe that you

大事是你曾经相信你

discovered like wow this is just wrong

发现的，比如哇，这是错误的，

um well i used to be a very naturalistic

嗯，我曾经是一个非常自然的

tendency like oh i can't do that because

倾向，就像哦，我不能那样做，因为

it's not natural or our ancestors didn't

它不是自然的或我们的 祖先没有那样

do that and yeah i would say that's a

做，是的，我会说

that's a huge shift like i don't believe

这是一个巨大的转变，就像我不再相信

that at all

anymore you know

你知道

not to beat a dead horse but i think our

不能打败一匹死马，但我认为

our environment is so terrible that a

我们的环境太糟糕了，我认为一个

person

人

uh i think it's a good idea to

investigate

调查

all tools at a person's disposal to try

一个人可以使用的所有工具是一个好主意，以

to defend from kind of the degenerative

尝试抵御环境压力的退化

effects of stress from the environment

影响

and so again the the example i always

，所以我总是

give is like you and i are talking to

举的例子就像你和我在一起谈话，

together but their cell phone towers are

但他们的手机

radiating us while we're talking and

当我们说话时，塔正在辐射我们，

then maybe our computer our cell phone

然后也许我们的电脑我们的

is in routers contributing to that as

手机在路由器中也有贡献

well and and if i open the window behind

，如果我打开身后的窗户，

me a car is going to go by and i'm going

一辆汽车会经过，我

to inhale exhaust like that's not a

会吸入废气 就像那不是

natural environment you know

你所

so and that's not even to speak of the

知道的自然环境，甚至更不用说

things that happened to us when we were

我们出生时发生在我们身上的事情，

born or like i had asthma when i was a

或者像我小时候患有哮喘病

kid and had like those albuterol

和那些沙丁胺醇

inhalers and stuff

吸入器之类的东西

and so and then x-rays like dental

等等，然后x- 像牙科 X 光片之类

x-rays and stuff like i had many of

的东西，就像我在成长过程中遇到的很多人一样

those growing up

and so again i'm trying to say we're all

，所以我再次想说我们都

being harmed 24 7 and i think obviously

受到了伤害 24 7 并且我认为显然

you have to eat food and that's a good

你必须吃食物，这是工具箱中的一个很好的

tool in the toolbox but the great thing

工具 但

about ray is i think he's

关于雷的伟大之处在于，我认为

kind of uncovered a big swath of really

他发现了一大堆真正

safe useful therapies to try to

安全的有用疗法，试图让

hopefully shift a person in a better

一个人朝着更好的

direction

方向发展

and but again not everybody's open to

，但同样不是每个人都

the idea of using antibiotics or thyroid

对使用抗生素或甲状腺

or or whatever and so

或其他什么的想法持开放态度，

and it's not my job to force them to

所以强迫他们不是我的工作

it's just uh those are on the table and

只是呃，这些都在桌子上，

and i i think they can be very powerful

而且我认为如果使用得当，它们会非常强大

when used appropriately yeah that that's

，是的，这

definitely something i used to believe

绝对是我以前也相信的

too that you know if it wasn't natural

东西，你知道如果这不自然，

it was probably pretty bad for you but

那可能对你很不利，但

you know like my experience with the

你知道 就像我使用

antibiotics it's like wow this this

抗生素的经验一样，哇，这

really made a difference and no herb was

真的很重要，没有任何草药

gonna do this like this

会这样做，

this had to be that and even uh like

这必须是那样，甚至像

iver mekton i don't know have you tried

艾弗梅克顿一样，我不知道你试过

ivermectin

伊维菌素，

i've never tried never had even heard

我从来没有试过，从来没有 我什至听说

about it until covered so i tried it

过它直到被报道所以我

recently for a show um i i told people

最近尝试了一个节目，我告诉人们

how to use it if they wanted to use it

如何使用它，如果他们想使用它

and stuff and it made me feel great i'm

和其他东西，这让我感觉很棒

like wow this stuff is awesome and yeah

，我喜欢哇，这东西太棒了，是的，

you just won't you won't come across

你只是 你会不会不会遇到

those things i mean obviously there are

这些事情我的意思是显然

risks with drugs and you have to be

毒品有风险，你必须

smart about it but um it can really it

对此很聪明，但它

can really open things up in ways that

真的可以以你不知道的方式打开事情，

you you have no idea yeah and and if

是的，如果

you're focused on developing yourself

你专注于发展自己

and stuff and i i think they can be a

和学习 ff 和 ii 认为它们可能是一个

huge boon because again i i there are

巨大的福音，因为 ii 环境中存在

lots of bottlenecks in the environment

许多瓶颈

that are just going to keep a person

，它们只会使一个

down in the state of health that they're

人处于他们目前的健康状态，

they are currently and it's hard to move

并且

forward when you're being poisoned at

当您继续前进时很难向前迈进 每次都被毒死，

like every turn okay so what uh what are

好吧，那么

some of the you've mentioned a few but

你提到

what are some of your favorite

的一些是什么，但是你最喜欢的

supplements or and or drugs that you

补充剂或药物是什么，你

take

服用

thyroid is really one of the most

甲状腺真的是最

important i think so i use a sinoplus

重要的一种，我认为是 使用sinoplus

and sinomelon they're actually sold in

和sinomelon，它们实际上在墨西哥有售，

mexico and people all over the world

世界各地的人们都在

order them i've talked to people in

订购它们

malaysia singapore australia japan

canada parts of europe and everybody

orders from these mexican drug stores

and very few people get their packages

turned away from customs

离开海关

and just before we get into this i don't

，就在我们进入这个之前，

sell any supplements i don't have any

我不出售任何补充剂，

connections to any supplement

manufacturers aside from georgie being

除了乔治是

my friend but we don't have like any

我的朋友之外，我与任何补充剂制造商没有任何联系，但我们没有任何

relationship in business

关系 在商业上，

um but the that cynoplasm center mill

但是那个 cynoplasm 中心磨坊

though i really heavily rely on those in

虽然我真的很依赖那些，但

fact it just got a little bit colder in

事实上它在墨西哥变冷了一点，

mexico so like i increased my sinoplus

所以我增加了我

dose because i was getting a little cold

的 sinoplus 剂量，因为我有点冷

uh that uh yeah it would sound like a

，嗯嗯，是的，这听起来像是

dead a broken record here but the

在这里打破了一个破纪录，但

vitamin d i use that on my skin almost

维生素 di 几乎每天都在我的皮肤上使用，

every day even if i lay out on my roof

即使我把它放在屋顶上

vitamin k i really like that as well i

维生素 ki 真的很喜欢，我

think that's like the counterpart to

认为这就像

vitamin d

维生素 d

aspirin i think that's really useful um

阿司匹林的对应物我认为那真的很有用，

what else and then

还有什么 然后

maybe start in 2018 i got a little bit

也许从 2018 年开始，我开始在

into putting progesterone dhea on my

睡前将黄体酮 dhea 放在我的

legs before bed and that's i really keep

腿上，那是我真的

it very minimal with supplement stuff

用补充剂将其保持在最低限度

and but those are the big big ones that

，但那些是大的，

i think have a reliable um effect like

我认为它们具有可靠的嗯效果，就像

they they do stuff so i i keep taking

它们一样 做一些事情，所以我继续服用

them because they do reliable yeah have

它们，因为它们确实可靠，是的，

you ever tried uh ru 486 because that

你有没有试过呃 ru 486 因为这

that's one that georgie mentions all the

是乔治一直提到的

time

that's like legendary that he talks

那个就像传说中的那样，他

about that drug i've never used it

谈到了我从未使用过的药物

before but i think it's like an analog

以前，但我认为它就像黄体酮的类似物

or derivative of progesterone so i think

或衍生物，所以我

the the fact of him bringing it up is uh

认为他提出它的事实是呃，

it's like so well research or something

这就像很好的研究或

like terminating the stress response

类似终止压力反应的东西

yeah so for those who don't know ru 486

是的，所以对于那些不知道 ru 486 的人

is the abortion pill correct like that's

来说 堕胎药是正确的

that's like the morning after pill yeah

，就像吃药后的第二天早上一样 是的，

i i don't know that much yeah so it's

我不太了解是的，所以它是

some type of progesterone and you take

某种类型的黄体酮，你服用

it and uh you know for women if they

它，呃你知道对于女性来说，如果她们

think they're pregnant it will abort a

认为自己怀孕了，它会流产一个

fetus because it stops some hormone that

胎儿，因为它 停止一些

needs that that's needed for the

需要

gestation to go on but like georgie i

妊娠继续所需的激素，但就像乔治我

think he recently said like

想他最近说的那样，

it snaps your cells out of a stressed

它可以让你的细胞摆脱压力

state and so it like cures type 2

状态，所以它就像治愈 2

diabetes or maybe even cancer and when i

型糖尿病甚至癌症，当我

heard that i'm like what that's that's

听说我 就像那是什么

that's insane like if that's true

那太疯狂了，如果那是真的

don't we shouldn't we know that like

，我们不应该知道那

well that's that well that's one of the

很好那是那

things that ray i think talks a lot

件事之一，我认为ray谈论了很多

about how uh like the stress metabolism

关于压力代谢

and cancer metabolism are not that

和癌症代谢的事情 没有什么

different you know

不同你知道

or like a stil a cell being stuck in

或者像一个细胞被困在

glycolysis and making lots of lactic

糖酵解中并产生大量

acid is like basically exactly what otto

乳酸基本上就像

warburg uh found to be the primary

奥托瓦尔伯格发现

effect of like a cancer cell

的像癌细胞一样的主要影响

and so yeah i think i

所以是的，我想我

again i'm not an expert on cancer but i

又一次 我不是癌症专家，但我

think that cachexia is because the

认为恶病质是因为

cortisol is so high and it's like

皮质醇太高了，就像

tearing down a person's tissues

撕裂一个人的组织一样

and um

，

and yeah anything to oppose cortisol if

嗯，是的，如果

that's what ru486

那是 ru486

uh did like that would probably be very

呃所做的那样，那么任何反对皮质醇的东西

useful in that situation so one question

在那种情况下可能会非常有用 所以

i'd like to ask my guests is

我想问我的客人的一个问题是

and it and it doesn't have to be a

，它不一定是

long-winded thing it can be a tweet or

冗长的事情，它可以是一条推文或

whatnot but uh what do you think is the

诸如此类的东西，但是呃，你

worst health advice that you hear

认为你听到的最糟糕的健康建议是什么？

that's pretty popular out there and i'm

在那里很受欢迎，我

sure you have lots of examples but what

相信你有很多例子，但

do you think the worst one is

你认为最糟糕的是

me i i guess i just have a knee

我

knee-jerk reaction to authorities so i'd

like run for the hills of anybody saying

that you need to do x y and z because i

吗？ 需要做 xy 和 z 因为我

i know better than you do so i guess

知道打赌 比你这样做，

that's my like biggest pet peeve in the

我想这是我在健康世界中最大的宠儿，这就是我非常喜欢雷的

health world and that's what i love

about ray so much because he's so good

原因，因为他非常

at stimulating a person's own curiosity

擅长激发一个人自己的好奇心

without telling him what to do and so i

而不告诉他该做什么，所以我

don't know if that fits your question

不知道 这符合你的问题，

but just like the authoritarianism in

但

the health world is like the biggest

就像健康世界中的威权

turn off to me and maybe i don't like it

主义对我来说是最大的障碍，也许我不太喜欢它

so much because i used to be so much of

，因为我曾经非常

that like uh when i first got into ray's

喜欢那个，就像我第一次进入雷的

work i was very i i thought i had like

工作时一样 非常我以为我喜欢

uncovered this treasure trove of

发现这个

information i was like one of the first

信息宝库 我就像第

ones to find it and i was a total loser

一个找到它的人之一 我是一个彻底的失败者

and i

i was very authoritarian about it and i

而且我对它非常专制 我

think over time

想随着时间的推移

i kind of rejected a lot of the

我有点拒绝了很多

philosophy stuff in the beginning

一开始是哲学的东西，

because i thought i didn't care about it

因为我认为我并不关心它，

but over time

但随着时间的推移，

it's just become so much more important

它对我来说变得越来越

to me and so so yeah that's kind of a

重要，所以是的，这

non-answer to your question but that's

对你的问题没有答案，但这是

the thing i hate the most about the

我最讨厌的事情

health law

健康法

well i'm i'm pretty much out of

好吧，我是预科 tty out

questions i think

questions 我

so

想是的

oh i i didn't ask you about your diet so

哦，我没有问你关于你的饮食

are you doing the like milk and orange

所以你在做牛奶和橙汁之类的事情，

juice or what are you doing these days

或者你这些天在做什么这

it's very similar to what i post on my

与我在我的 Instagram 上发布的内容非常相似，

instagram like uh the danny rowdy weblog

就像呃那个丹尼吵闹的人

on instagram and so

instagram 上的博客，所以

i

我

like at the moment i have a really good

喜欢现在我有一个非常好的

milk source and so i probably drink two

奶源，所以我可能每天喝两

or probably more like three liters of

升或更多，比如三升

milk per day um

牛奶，

fruits like guava and cherimoya and

比如番石榴、樱桃和橙子等水果，

orange when they're available but

但

recently they haven't been very

最近他们没有 不是很

available

可用

lots of coffee a

很多咖啡

lamb shank or oxtail my mushrooms

羊腿或牛尾我的蘑菇

eggs

鸡蛋

and

和

oysters that's

牡蛎是

parmesan original cheese oysters

帕尔马原味奶酪牡蛎

and then that's been kind of the hard

然后这有点难

i'm sure there's something i'm

我确定有些东西我

forgetting but that's that's uh those

忘记了但这就是呃那些

are the big ones right now yeah man

都是大的 现在是的，伙计，

you're you're living the repeat

你在那里过着重复的

lifestyle there

生活方式，

i have to say that i didn't always eat

我不得不说我并不总是这样吃

this way and it and it just kind of

，它只是

organic organically developed over a

在很长一段时间内有机地发展起来，

long period of time you know and uh

你知道，嗯，

yeah and i would never expect somebody

是的和 我会 我从没想过

to eat some way that they hate it or

有人会以他们讨厌的方式吃东西，或者

something like i i actually like all

像我实际上喜欢所有

these foods and things and so i'm

这些食物和东西，所以我

perfectly satisfied and at 36 i really

非常满意，在 36 岁时我真的

couldn't do something that i wasn't

不能做我不满意的事情，

satisfied with so how can people find

所以怎么做 人们找到

you uh what's your website twitter all

你，呃，你的网站是什么 twitter

that all that fun stuff just danny roddy

所有那些有趣的东西，只是 danny roddy

everywhere until

到处都是，

the sub stack is the newest thing so i

直到 sub stack 是最新的东西，所以我

think it's

认为它是

dannyroddy.substack.com and i've been

dannyroddy.substack.com，我一直在

posting the podcasts and then the

发布播客，然后是

occasional article i'll write on that

我偶尔发布的文章 我会写下来，

all right i'll have those in the show

好吧，我会在节目

notes um are you coming out with any new

笔记中写下这些，嗯，你有没有

books or anything like that exciting

出版任何新书或类似令人兴奋的东西，

no just trying to survive the future

不只是想在未来生存下来，

all right man well uh that's that's all

好吧，伙计，嗯，这就是

i got for you so uh thanks for coming on

我为你准备的一切，所以嗯

thank you for having me lucas total

谢谢你的到来谢谢你让我

pleasure

很高兴卢卡斯很高兴

i really enjoyed talking with danny i

我真的很喜欢和丹尼交谈我

think it's interesting how our

觉得很有趣我们

experiences with ray pete and his

与雷皮特和他的

principals are so different you know i

校长的经历是如此不同你知道我

found certain things

发现

ray has said just really helpful um his

雷说过的某些话真的非常好 pful um 他的

stuff on dopamine and like your

关于多巴胺的东西，喜欢你的

direction and what it means to be

方向以及健康意味着什么

healthy i have just i mean it has

我只是我的意思是它

changed my whole idea of what health is

改变了我对健康的整个观念

there's other things that he says that i

还有他说的其他事情我

find are not very helpful that didn't

觉得不是很有帮助但没有

help me much at all but it sounds like

帮助 我几乎没有，但听起来

when danny started following rey's

当丹尼开始遵循 rey 的

suggestions they just clicked for him

建议时，他们只是为他点击了

which is awesome i mean i know it works

，这太棒了我的意思是我知道它

like that for some people sometimes so

有时对某些人来说是这样的，所以

i do wish

我希望

he had some more criticisms of rey's

他对 rey 的想法有更多的批评，

ideas because often people who are the

因为通常人们

most familiar with the concept or theory

对概念或理论最熟悉的人

can also show where it may be falling

也可以表明它可能

short and you know every theoretical

不足的地方，你知道每个理论

framework has shortcomings so i wish he

框架都有缺点，所以我希望

had been able to go into that a little

他能够多谈

bit more but that's fine other than that

一点，但除了

i really did enjoy talking with him and

我真的这样做之外还好 喜欢与他交谈，

he does have a great podcast where he

他确实有一个很棒的播客，他一直在

talks with ray and georgie all the time

与雷和乔治交谈

and they poke holes in all the crazy

，他们在所有疯狂的

health theories out there so it's

健康理论中戳破洞，所以这

definitely fun and i loved having him on

绝对很有趣，我喜欢让他参加

so next episode is going to be episode

所以下一集将是第

100

the podcast has been going now for

100 集播客现在已经播了

almost three years which is crazy to

将近三年了，想想这很疯狂，

think about

so i'm gonna do something a little

所以我要做一些

special and i'm gonna have a best of

特别的事情，我会

episode with clips from the past uh past

用过去的剪辑制作最好的一集 呃过去

podcasts clips that i thought were

那些我认为

particularly impactful i'm also gonna

特别有影响力的播客剪辑我也会

have my top health discoveries that have

有我的顶级健康发现

worked and the ones that have

有效的和那些

failed miserably so that should be out

惨败的那些应该

in the beginning of december uh keep an

在 12 月初出来呃除此之外请

eye out for it other than that i hope

留意它 我希望

you have a great thanksgiving i hope you

你有一个伟大的感恩节我希望你

spend some valuable time with your

花一些宝贵的时间和你的

families be well

家人在一起

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